OT Warrior opener 2 FC vs 3 FC

[Yitan]

I'm confused.

Let's imagine we're in a fight like Sephirot EX, so you just DPS as OT.
Take these two openers:

2 FC opener: http://ffxivrotations.com/3fj
3 FC opener: http://ffxivrotations.com/3fk

• I tested it on a dummy, the DPS difference between 2 and 3 FC is not that spectacular. And out of 10 tries, the best DPS was with the 2 FC opener (got lucky with crits (37%), eventhough both FC didn't crit)
• To me if you delay Berserk, you won't make up the DPS loss even with 3 FC.
• ...unless all 3 FC crit which is like playing lottery. If all 3 crit GG, you can go grab a beer and when you're back you'll still have +1000 dps I guess.
• Also by popping Berserk ASAP, all your FC, even if just two, are taking advantage of possible Trick Attacks, Litanys, Balance Cards and whatnot, whereas in the other case they're not.
• You'll often have a BRD that can Paean you, so 2 FC is more than enough and you don't need to delay berserk.

So am I missing something? Why is some people using the 3 FC opener instead of the 2 FC one?
I'm not trying to convince you that 2 FC are better than 3 FC, what I want is kinda the opposite, can you give me any proof that 3 is better than 2?
And I know it depends on the fight, but let's take Sephirot first phase as an example here.

[Reaver_Bharash]

most optimal opener...pre-pull preparations
Infuritate, wait til 1s
Raw Intuition, a 20s pull macro should start here or when the timer in RI hits 15s for a 15s pull macro
Heavy Swing, Maim, Brutal Swing, Storm's Eye, Max-Pot, Heavy Swing, Internal Release, Berserk, Fell Cleave, Infuriate, Fell Cleave, Maim, Vengeance, Storm's Eye, Brutal Swing, Fracture, Heavy Swing, Maim, Storm's Eye, Fell Cleave...Pacified.

Only 2 Fell Cleaves will hit during the Trick Attack window anyway, but a 3 stacked Fracture after the double Fell Cleave will do more damage being in the TA window than doing it at the end of the rotation. You just have to make sure you have at least 530 SS to do this(and hope you don't lag during your opener).

[RamothElggur]

i can already see in your 2nd opener that u kind of delay Berserk a little bit too much you actually want to use this after Maim . Popping your defensive CDs. i optional you dont really need to use them to push your Stacks so that you can use double fell cleaves after your first Combo, after the second one is still fine.

Let me show you:
http://ffxivrotations.com/3fm

The Resaon for using heavy swing at the end and then Fell Cleaves is just so that Heavy Swing has an increased chance to crit from your stacks etc.


This is pretty much a standard opener you can use If u are not plyying with a Ninja in your Team, If you have one then you can varie it a little bit more likt this:
http://ffxivrotations.com/3fm

The Reason For the Fell Cleaves right after the fracture is to make sure taht both of them hit the Boss while trick attack is up, also the double weave is for simply having higher crit chance a little bit earlier so that it works better with Trick attack aswell.
If your Skill Speed is not high enough u might have to do the FEll Cleaves first and then your DoT to make sure they hit in time.


The Triple Fell Cleave opener is quite long if i have to be very Honenst with u with that u might miss the trick attack window for at least 2 Fell Cleaves. You are also using Internal release quite early in the Rotation which means that it might run out too early for certain skills

Here is what i use as for 3 Fell Cleave Opener if i dont need my CDs:
http://ffxivrotations.com/3fo

The beginning is basicly like this: U activate Infuriate and u wait until your stacks reach 1 sec , then u use Raw Intuition to extend the duration. after 10 more seconds the opener can start.. this makes sure that 2 of your Fell cleaves will be 100% into the Trick attack window aswell as Your Fracture, the third one sadly wonte be in teh window but that is OK. overall u can Do more Dmg with the Treiple fell cleave Opener but if you need your CDs then ofc u cant use them.


Seph ex is an opportunity for 3 FC becaus as an OT the moment you have to tank in teh adds phase, all your CDs will be beack up again.
In Terms od Overall sustain DPS you will not see any differences it is Mainly the higher Overall Dmg u can pull out at the Start with 3 fell Cleaves. Sustain DPS both are quite Equal.( Triple FEll cleave can be slightly higher if all of them crit)


PS: The Skill Speed thing is not so true. My SS is currently at 491 and i have a REcast on GCD for 2.45 seconds.

2.45 seconds are still fine to do this Opener , but is also Latency dependend so if you have Higher Latency then of course you need more Skill Speed

[SpookyGhost]

3x FC is only worth it using the optimal opener, which requires ~50s prep. Any other 3x FC opener has poor TA/Battle Litany synergy.

You want something like this for your 2x FC opener:

http://ffxivrotations.com/3g2

as you want Fracture up w/ 5 stacks of Abandon as well as BL and TA.

99% of the time you want to just use 2x FC as sitting around waiting for 3x FC when everyone else has much less prep time isn't really worth it unless you're in A8S or w/e.