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    Suirieko's Avatar
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    Suirieko Mizukoshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Personally I'd prefer it to where anyone can socket in materia in guaranteed slots, but only Crafters can overmeld materia into gear which ironically is mainly gear they craft themselves. Sound fair? I bet it does.
    Wrong. Only reason everyone wants to be able to meld gears is because raid gears can now take materias. I worked very hard on leveling all of my crafts to 60 to be able to meld gears, repair my own gears anytime I want, and of course to make things and make my own glamour.

    Now I understand that not everyone likes to do crafts (or gathering) and that's fine with me, but that's what we're here for. For us to do it for you, all you have to do is to ask, I'm sure most crafters wouldn't mind helping you. (God knows I would be more than happy.)

    Bottom line is, we worked very hard to be able to do this. Why should you be able to get an easy pass just because you're not willing to work hard to do it yourself?
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    Suirieko Mizukoshi of Excalibur Lamia


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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suirieko View Post
    Bottom line is, we worked very hard to be able to do this. Why should you be able to get an easy pass just because you're not willing to work hard to do it yourself?
    I will have to work hard regardless if I ever want to have ownership of a single piece of Eikon gear. Whether I worked hard enough to flat out buy it or went through nonsense to get it crafted with mats. With materia melding I'd say since you bothered to level a crafter to 60 you feel self entitled to be the only class to meld materia onto specific gear. Which in turn will cause others to pursue the same path. Mainly because some people like me do not see the need to rely on others to enhance our stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    I will have to work hard regardless if I ever want to have ownership of a single piece of Eikon gear. Whether I worked hard enough to flat out buy it or went through nonsense to get it crafted with mats. With materia melding I'd say since you bothered to level a crafter to 60 you feel self entitled to be the only class to meld materia onto specific gear. Which in turn will cause others to pursue the same path. Mainly because some people like me do not see the need to rely on others to enhance our stats.
    This is an MMORPG, which is called "Massively Multiplayer Online Role PLaying Game" for a reason. You are EXPECTED to interact with other players. Players are expected to help each other.

    And I leveled ALL eight of the crafting classes, which is not an easy feat. You can't just level one crafting class to be able to meld. For example, leveling blacksmithing will not allow you to meld materias to slots like rings, because you need to be goldsmithing.

    You can call me entitled all you want, but I worked hard leveling all of my crafts, and it annoyed me how there's little dependency on crafters. For ONCE we get something that requires players to depend on us, and all they do is to complain about not being able to do it themselves.

    Just shout and ask for help, there are a LOT of crafters out there that would be more than happy to do it for you.

    Or level crafts. Which allows you to do exactly as you asked.
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    Suirieko Mizukoshi of Excalibur Lamia


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    Ferox Maximillian
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
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    Mainly because some people like me do not see the need to rely on others to enhance our stats.
    Well see you don't need to rely on others to enhance your stats. The beauty of this game unlike many others is that you can do everything conveniently on one character. It's really a simple choice: level crafters yourself and meld your own gear or be forced to ask for assistance (on an mmorpg, horrors). The only one limiting people here is themselves. If we couldn't request melds or something and the only option was to level a crafter I could understand where the issue lied.
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    Mumuki Muki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suirieko View Post
    This is an MMORPG, which is called "Massively Multiplayer Online Role PLaying Game" for a reason. You are EXPECTED to interact with other players. Players are expected to help each other.
    The level of interaction from melding is so minuscule; it's not worth the trouble if you ask me, but then again I like that I don't have to bug crafters to do menial tasks like repair my gear. The act of melding is just not very involved.

    I honestly think they should place an npc that will do the guaranteed melds for a fee so that there's still an advantage to having crafted classes leveled but the system is less bogged down. They can keep overmelds tied to crafters (so we can all join in on the "fun" of watching materia explode) because that's unique to crafted gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F_Maximillian View Post
    Well see you don't need to rely on others to enhance your stats. The beauty of this game unlike many others is that you can do everything conveniently on one character. It's really a simple choice: level crafters yourself and meld your own gear or be forced to ask for assistance (on an mmorpg, horrors). The only one limiting people here is themselves. If we couldn't request melds or something and the only option was to level a crafter I could understand where the issue lied.
    You write "choice" as would pertain to not relying on others, and then proceed to offer... only one choice that actually does that. Wouldn't that, by definition, not be a choice?

    The choice to level crafters has long since had its value. The only thing that changed is the choice to forego them entirely, including via meld requests, was removed. Dropped gear and crafted gear *were* separate, completely. Now they are not. Why the change? SE may be famous for oversights, but removing a person's ability to maximize his raid gear by himself is hardly a small change in principle, even if a mere 50-130k, countless shouts, a few waits, and so many trade windows in practice.
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    Jojorito Zazarito
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    Brynhildr
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    Crafting may not be for everyone, but that's no reason to devalue the crafters that now have an influx of interaction with other players. For a long time now crafters haven't really had anything to do besides craft glamor gear and leveling gear. As someone who appreciates hi-lvl crafted gear for raiding/customization, I've enjoyed having a reason to interact with the crafting community, and it's been nice helping my raid group by melding their new gear. If someone leveled their crafters I'm sure they're expecting to be asked to meld things, it's part of the joy of crafting, don't be selfish and take one of the few direct interactions away that crafters have with the rest of the community.
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    Baronskull Lakshmi
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    Maybe there could be an NPC like the guild masters who could do it, but make it relatively pricey so getting someone who crafts to help would be preferable.
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    I'd rather crafters vouch for the devs to give them more gear to craft that means something. Eikon gear is a start but you guys need more then just glamour items. As it stands even the Eikon gear requires large investments and with Raid gear or even tome gear once augmented it will match or exceed your crafted gear ever so slightly. Moreso now it gets 2 Materia slots. And I wager crafters do a lot more work acquiring materials then raiders do. And you aren't even at the stage of making it master quality either.
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    Well honestly I think it would of been a fine addition if FFXIV was made like this from the start.
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