Eureka after 5.0

[WildsWalker]

tl;dr I'd like to be able to run roulettes for Anemos and Pagos crystals once 5.0 drops.

I'm pretty much a casual player. I haven't kept up with the MSQ. I think the last dungeon I unlocked is the Drowned City of Skalla. I gave up on being even a semi-serious raider when we couldn't clear T5. I only have two birds (although I have all the ponies). I still have 5 jobs in the 50s. I haven't got even the yellow script gathering or crafting gear.

Other than chasing useless achievements (I have only nine of the GC achievements left as long as they don't add any more) the only thing I'm remotely serious about is relic weapons. I've only got 26 Trials of the Braves books left to go and am about to start the light-gathering A1S marathon on my sixth Anima weapon. I enjoy how I don't have to commit to spending a certain amount of time or commit to being on at a particular time to work on the weapons. I enjoy how I can interlock activities, like running Crystal Tower to gather light for a Zodiac and getting Aether Oil for an Anima from the weekly repeatable quest at the same time. I like how I can level up the job while working on the weapon. I've even run the Vanu and Vath beast tribe quests over and over to level up some jobs, sure, but, mostly, to gather Unidentifiable bits.

Eureka presents a different way of working on relics. I've not enjoyed it quite as much as the previous systems, as it isn't as amenable to little bursts of effort and is only really fun for me with lots of people, but I've got either the weapon or the mats to make the weapon for 11 jobs from Anemos. I expect I'll get at least a couple of the Pagos ones done before 4.4 drops.

My concern is what happens after 5.0 drops. Eureka requires quite a number of people to clear NMs for the crystals necessary and I suspect there won't be many people to run chain groups once people start working on 5.0. I've already noticed that Anemos has shifted away from running the higher-level NMs to helping people with lower e-levels get experience, which is great, but makes it harder for me to hoard the crystals I'll need when I get the rest of the jobs to 70.

What I would like to see is a way to get the crystals for Eureka weapons through alternate means. At previous tiers, most of the mats for relics are available for tombstones or seals once the next expansion drops, but I'd like to suggest adding an option to roulettes to receive Eureka crystals instead of tombstones. Right now, I could get 100 Tombstones of Creation and 15 Tombstones of Mendacity for running the Duty Roulette: Level 70 Dungeons as a tank. I'd like to be able to choose to get Anemos or Pagos crystals instead. This will offer another way to get the crystals once Eureka isn't as popular, although it will probably reduce Eureka to just people trying to e-level and complete the quests. But, by the time 5.0 drops, I think most people who want to run the Eureka grind will have done so.

[Besame]

I worked feverishly to get my Bard relic weapon in 8 days and had decided never to go in there again. After the so called "fix", I took my heals in thinking I could at least help rez during and after the nms and pick up the occasional straggler around. I managed to stay there and get my healer the first upgrade to 360 and then decided that I made a good decision first time around and have not been back since.

Best case scenario for Pagos is DELETE. I hate it with a passion.

[WildsWalker]

And the other change would be to allow chocobo companions to make it easier when there isn't anyone around your level that wants to start a chain party.

[Songwillow]

I have a feeling that instead of the chocobo companions, they will just have the Trusts do that work. Since chocobos ignore party limits like pets, I don't see them allowing chocobos but I think the trusts will be treated like a normal party member like in FFXI.

[Rufalus]

It's sort of possible to solo Eureka already but a bit slow and awkward, like NM HP scales to total number of players in the instance and the bottom say 60-70% of NMs in each zone could technically be done alone on certain jobs. Exploit being able to temp unsync your level to take big hits if needed, and the highest NMs aren't needed because the unique item drops for weapon progress get added to the npc shop at the home point after a while. More nerfs are coming so there is a plan for this. I doubt they will ever allow you to get eureka crystals outside of eureka, but continued nerfs might make soloing a lot faster and easier to do eventually so the weapon grind should all be smoothed over by the time lack of participation is a problem.

[Grimr]

i really don't know what they could do for eureka. pagos made a mess of thing and even pyros is messy. NO MORE BUNNIES PLEASE!!!! They could make soloing easier but it is going to take a lot of work and i much rather they take 3.0 relic path and remove everything from eureka and transfer it to solo /group able content. 5.0 eureka is dead. Se is going to have to pull a miracle to make it work 5.0 onwards

[Alpha087]

I wouldn't mind being able to run Eureka with my Squadron or something along those lines. A roulette would be nice too, but I think there would a struggle to find people actually queuing for that.

[Kaiserdrache]

What SE needs to to is just raing the level caps for Anemo n Pagos, once you are just a few levels aboce the level of the monster dont they attack you anymore, so if SE for example would raise the cap for Pagos to 45, would be the whole map istantly alot lesser stressful, because you wouldn't need to care about those annoying sleeping dragons anymore and farming the big enemies for light would be also alot easier/quicker

Samevas much as like Pyros/Hydatos should get somewhen updated in lvl caps to make the content easier as player population sinks, so that you can do the stuff all soone or later also solo
Another thing Se could do is raising the ilvl of gear, that would make Eureka significantly easier, without needing to caise the lvl caps for Eureka Lvls.

[WildsWalker]

The first idea I had was to have the option to receive , say 100 Pyros Crystals, instead of 100 Allagan Tombstones of Poetics, when I run Syrcus Tower to get light on my last three Zodiac weapons. It would probably be a data headache, but it would address my concern that I'm not able to level jobs with relics, like I have done for Zodiac and Anima weapons. But I'll take the ability to solo NMs, too. I got most of my Frosted Protean Crystals by grinding the edge of the Bunny FATE to chain Snow Aurelia. I also think the EXP penalty for releasing after defeat needs to be removed. With the place being pretty empty, it's too easy to have no one around to rez you.

[Commander_Justitia]

They could add crystals to the eureka challenge log once you are at max level and doing them, as fast solution. Maybe introducing logos system into pagos could be an option, but needs to be checked carefully with mob interactions.