Self-Destructing Community?

[Leigaon]

Well, there are some real nasty people out there. I was able to get time to finish A8 last night for the first time, funny part was my I'm new message got lost with all the introductions and sighs of a new guy. We pulled instantly, but we wiped once on the last phase. They raged on each other! I just had to sit back because I was the new guy and they started accusing each other of being new.

After that I figured, okay I got this down I want to do some practice. I signed up again. We got a new person, she was a healer. Our complaining tank was a mentor and the mage even said she was new. We wiped at 3% because she died towards the Voltron phase. Every time she got up she would get hit with something. She got up twice and the mob decided to pick her to jump on. It was unfortunate, but really not her fault.

The mentors advise? "This is sad..this is such an easy fight why are you all having problems?" "Try not to die, dodge stuff. It's not that hard..." so that was the mentors advice to the new healer. Along with a long list of complaints of how they should know the fight inside and out.

Thing is no one helped explain anything either time. Now my first time, I always go in blind. After that, it's guides and questions. Still, it can only prepare you so much for getting use to moving properly.

Guides are up within hours of new content going live, if not by the next day. So, if you aren't there on release day, take the time to look it up. That's where the explosion comes from, cause honestly.. alot of us are tired of doing the research ourselves and then expected to hand hold lazy people who don't want to "spoil the fight."

Most of the guides were iffy, by day..two or three? They were completed and wonderful. Now I'm sure you are going to go out and find that one spotless, perfect guide that was posted within hours. The golden gem! That's awesome! Now..the others.

Most of the people are too busy doing content, taking notes and update later. So there is a delay. Also realize within these hours people have a wide variety of schedules. Should it really cater to just those who don't have anything to do? Take sick days from work? Miss college classes? Or simply have the day off from work? Could the game really thrive on that % of income?

My guess is no. There are two sides to this, there needs to be an acceptable time frame where players should learn fights and in return there should be an acceptable time frame that people like you need to realize this is going to happen and nothing you can do or say will make a difference. Within a week a majority of people will have the clear, and on top of that the people who are new..the ones who have cleared will have the gear to make up a difference. Wipes will happen..get out of your mothers basement and deal with it.

I honestly don't care if you think it's "rude" or "insensitive" when the information is available. You are willfully choosing ignorance, so expect the reaction. So yes.. REALLY! Stop being lazy and take the 10 minutes to at least know what you are getting in to.

No, like you, we are choosing to have fun as early as possible. We just can't get to it as early as you. That's awesome you have the entire day to slack off. If you are tired of coming into content with new people after a day of content being up then don't play the patch for the first few days. Let everyone catch up to you. No? Don't want to? Well then, you're putting yourself in a tough pickle there my friend. Or...or..pay for everyone to have a day off. You let me tell you how much it would cost to have me stay home for one day, pay me, I'll learn the fights to your liking.

[Hayward]

I have nearly stopped doing all group activities in this game because the people are rude.

I'm always apparently lazy or stupid. Same for my friends. I have a friend who is 61 years old and she frequently cries, like with this newest update, when someone told her she is an idiot and that she should kill herself because she didn't know all the mechanics of one of the new dungeons within 12 hours of release. Also, she is old, physically slower, English isn't her native language etc.

But nah bro, we're all just dumb AF.

I honestly don't even care how bad of a player I might be anymore, I'll always be better than most people anyway. If you spend 95% of the dungeon typing away how bad I am, I'm bound to do better than you. At least I can like, press my macros, and dodge AoE's.

BTW, ya'll ain't qualified to be mentors. Take that crown off. "Kill yourself IRL" is a really bad gaming strategy. You'd be down a DPS.

PS. If you are a nice person, this rant doesn't apply.

This post needs to be stickied for all these online tough guys to see.

[Yasuhiro]

snip.

When I was reading this post and got to "Our complaining tank" I knew it was going to be a mentor.
Can we just do something about these crowns please, Square?

[Stormfur]

I wish that you could report toxic players like this and know that something would be done about them.

[Roshinu]

Patch 3.2 ... 3 days in, Sephi Ex "progress/training" fight on PF.
It quickly turned so bad, that at some point, all I could do was laugh about the excess exchange of insults, that was happening at some point.

No real explanation of planned tactics etc by the "leaders" of that party. First pull, Tank messes up, get's called bad by so called leaders, and many other really rude things, because his positioning didn't fit with their tactic. (Needless to say, said tank knew the fight well into after add phase)
Again, no one really bothered to explain what was actually going wrong (or bothered with explaining their strategy)
2nd pull, Tank makes the mistake of not heading where they want him to go (again, no explanations before that).
First person screams to replace the tank because he sucks and whatnot.

On the next try, one of the DPS screws up, the two "leaders" turn into poo-flinging, screeching monkeys and start insulting the poor guy, which luckily had a quick tongue and started defending himself against those two harpies.
The other members of the party tried to calm down the situation, by pointing out, that the fight was released 3 days ago etc ... but needless to say, the Tank and the DPS got kicked.

On the other hand, I was really flabbergasted about how rude some of those guys are/can be. Considering it was a "progress/training" party and not a established farming group.

And this is, why I normally only run things with friends / the FC ...


Although, day one, Sephi normal + Alex Midas 1-4. Such a nice experience, working on strategies etc. even with DF groups. No one gave up, everyone did stick together, no yelling, no whining. Everyone just focussing and concentrating on getting things done <3

[Synrin]

This is why I always stop to explain if there is some strat that is dire and requires a lot, and I've seen the new player message. If I am the new player, I tell them so. Luckily I haven't come across any fools like you did. I swear, sometimes people are blind and stupid and completely oblivious and rude... For no goddamn reason.

[Kalyca_Wood]

With all this crown smack talk. A solution like player commendation should be mentor rating/ranking.
While this could be abused, in time it would bring mentors into what they're meant to be. With golden records you keep the crown or it upgrades to a new icon. While bad ratings could suspend mentor usage for a set time and maybe dull the icon. At least then players know what type of person they're getting on board with. And a shiny new icon would make a target for people to achieve. And hopefully make people nicer.

With the slogan "can't play, we'll take it away"

[hellmach]

talks about neckbeards but his character is a neckbeard :^)

[Colorful]

talks about neckbeards but his character is a neckbeard :^)

There's a difference between a "neckbeard" and a regular beard (hint: one is well groomed while the other is a mess than looks like hair from one's nether regions), but at this point neckbeard is more of a personality than anything else.

[Stormfur]

I refer to them as cheeto-stained, basement-dwelling neckbeards.