Self-Destructing Community?

[Edewen]

I don't mind that people haven't watched videos. its week one. But for those who are so intent on being completely ignorant because that is "fun" for you. It is not fun for everyone else to let 3-4 people kill the raid several times while learning something we could have explained at the start. Simple crap like tank switches. In the past 24 hours ive had 3 groups dissolve before the pull because some primadonna off-tanks want to be completely blind and they leave as soon as I tell them something as simple as

" Tank swap on perpetual ray, Tank Add at A, Tank add at B, split damage for double rocket punch"

Simply saying that right there would save 3 maybe 4 wipes for the whole group. These people hide behind the guise of learning as their fun, but really I think they just like killing people.

[DutchRyker]

Its the "Cross Servers" / Duty Finder....when players can done content that (for the most part) will never see those other players again you get those ASS-HATs. FFXI never had cross servers or a duty finder players that needed to get content done helped each other out. Players character funny enough had a reputation and if any player was a ASS-HAT word got around quick and those players had a very hard time get groups to get stuff done because other players knew who they were. All I'm saying is if SE did away with the duty finder and merged servers to fill them up and had players play together to get stuff done and have the players character reputation mean something again the community would be so much better....but hey what do I know right? LOL

[Averax]

I've found that if someones new and that they actually speak up and ask for help, they get it. Every time.
I've found that if someones new and they don't ask for help, the expectation is that they know what's coming.

Generally speaking, in dungeons, it's not much new. Dodge aoes. Deal damage. If something you can click on, click on it. It's mechanic heavy raids that may require some assistance to some, so don't be afraid to ask!

Even if people do ask, there's little time to explain because there is always that one impatient person who facepulls the boss, the complains during a wipe.

[LionFranco]

If there is a new dungeon, my fc members tend to run it together first, but when you go into the roulette, you have to expect that not everyone knows the fights, but sometimes simple instructions are the easiest.
Last night I got Antitower with a newbie, he said he was new, asked for help, so we explained fights, and it generally went well, except that we had the laziest blm in the history of the game with us. Even with me using foes, my DPS was much higher, etc, all the while the newbie was working hard trying to keep ago and do mechanics, etc.
The Blm locked himself out of the final fight, so it was just 3 of us...but we beat it without him and the newbie did a great job.
He said he was new, asked for tips, they were given, it was the experienced player that sucked and dragged it down for everyone else.
So you can't judge a book by its cover, and the newbie can be better than the experienced player, but if you don't treat them nice, then you lose something IMO

[Odett]

It's week 1, so I'm not expecting people to watch videos, I've made macros with explanations of the fights if people are wiping, but if you're going in completely blind to a fight, please pay attention. There are just some things though that are...frustrating, like DPS sticking to a boss when the ads come out. Monsters with less HP than the boss aren't a new mechanic, please go kill them first, that's been your job since the first dungeon. Then there are repeating mechanics, like Brawler in A8. You figured out in A6 that you have to stack for double lasers, so why do you run away when he appears in A8, or get on the wrong tiles for Swindler, or spread out for every stacking mechanic? It's always ok to make mistakes and learn from them, but if you wipe to a mechanic you've previously seen, get asked if you have any questions or need help, and don't say anything, only to do the same thing the next run, it's like dealing with a brick wall.

[WinterLuna]

Wow that sucks that the guy ripped into you and others like that D: I went with my FC and pvp friends completely blind learning the fight as we went, it was a ton of fun. We had one Df pug, who enjoyed it with us.

Yeah, he was really obnoxious, I forgot to mention he kept trying to pick at the fact I was a bard too (which isn't my main in the first place) and how we wouldn't find another tank if he left. I'm glad you had fun though, it's nice that some people can experience the new fights blind and not be ripped into for it ^^

[NovaLevossida]

It's such a shame, I played a fair bit when the game first came out, and it all just felt a bit friendlier.

I wouldn't say that at all. Just as soon as you hit the harder content, the attitudes are the same. Titan Hard at launch was the breaking point for most people, and there was a very large anti-Warrior prejudice at the time too. People were nice up until they were challenged and then, like now, they try to blame everyone else for any failures.

[Joe_Schmoe]

Is it really just me? or has anyone else got any crackers where after playing seven thousand hours straight, someone doesnt have the time to type "just focus down X enemy".

I can't recall it ever happening in this game BUT, #1, I'm not at the end-game yet, where I'm sure it gets pretty grindy, and #2, unlike WoW this game hasn't been around for 12 years, with grand-scale burnout firmly entrenched. There's still at least a faint smell of a new car in this game. So I guess, just bad luck on your part?

[Seezur_Undies]

It's such a shame, I played a fair bit when the game first came out, and it all just felt a bit friendlier.

Glad i am not the only one that remember when "Sense of Community" meant something in this game

[Seezur_Undies]

" Tank swap on perpetual ray, Tank Add at A, Tank add at B, split damage for double rocket punch"
Simply saying that right there would save 3 maybe 4 wipes for the whole group. These people hide behind the guise of learning as their fun, but really I think they just like killing people.[/QUOTE]

Had a great co tank during sep normal. Got so worked up over it i talked myself out of it several times and decided to do trials roulette only to see his ugly ass standing there after the black screen went away. said some choice words in chat and the other tank was like "guess i am MT" and took 5 minutes to explain the mechanics and predicted 2 wipes before clear and yup two wipes because of two bits of strat she forgot too and we were through. There should be more people like her out there. That't the type of tank and player i strive to be