Self-Destructing Community?

[Ninster]

This kind of thing is why I'm glad I have friends that play this game, so I can run through the content with them together, prior to a solo experience. If I have to run through something solo, though, I do try to mention that I'm new. I like to think I'm okay at figuring some mechanics out, but an explanation never hurts.

Regarding "look it up on YouTube", everyone learns best in their own way. I myself learn okay visually, but best from experience. Some people might watch videos but get nothing out of it until they try it. "Look it up on YouTube" only works so well, people. Regardless, patience is something that is really going to make or break people when it comes to new content. If you don't have the time or patience to explain to new people, bring your own group, and please talk to the Smith again to ask for your mentorship to be revoked. If you don't have the time to speak up about being new to content or learning new content, then by all means pass on it until you do. It's a two-way street, and people HAVE to meet each other part of the way.

[Jim_Berry]

This kind of thing is why I'm glad I have friends that play this game, so I can run through the content with them together, prior to a solo experience. If I have to run through something solo, though, I do try to mention that I'm new. I like to think I'm okay at figuring some mechanics out, but an explanation never hurts.

Regarding "look it up on YouTube", everyone learns best in their own way. I myself learn okay visually, but best from experience. Some people might watch videos but get nothing out of it until they try it. "Look it up on YouTube" only works so well, people. Regardless, patience is something that is really going to make or break people when it comes to new content. If you don't have the time or patience to explain to new people, bring your own group, and please talk to the Smith again to ask for your mentorship to be revoked. If you don't have the time to speak up about being new to content or learning new content, then by all means pass on it until you do. It's a two-way street, and people HAVE to meet each other part of the way.

I wish!

Been playing since beta phase 1 on PS3. While I have "friends", we're all on different pages. They are in a static; I'm not due to work schedule. I'm online late nights. They're either offline or relaxing with crafting after doing battles all day. Duty Finder has been my friend since it was early 2014. Majority of my 2.X wins came from DF.

[Colorful]

I have to admit that I got quite frustrated last night with Midas 3 after running it 15 times successfully with over 9 wipes, I know the mechanics like the back of my hand but I can't speak a lick of Japanese to communicate with my party. Google Translate didn't help in the slightest, luckily I occasionally play with a Japanese friend who can translate what I say so that helps.

If you're in an NA/EU data centre and see the someone is new message, ask if anyone doesn't know the fight, no response? Well it's safe to assume they've read or watched a guide, otherwise go ahead and call them out for not speaking up when you asked. Might be an unpopular opinion, but if someone asks if you know the mechanics and you don't but you don't say anything, you could potentially be a hindrance to the entire party. I understand not watching a video not to spoil the fight, but text explanations of mechanics can hardly be called "spoilers". If you consider them spoilers, run with your FC or create a PF group, don't go to DF if you're not willing to ask for and take advice.

[IndigoHawk]

The community has definitely grown worse over time. Fewer people play for fun; most people have been taught to grind and get cranky at anyone who is playing instead of farming.

When Titan HM was the barrier, I remember people trying for the whole hour often. Now people rage quit Sephirot NM after a couple tries within the first week.

I think it's just what happens as a game ages. The nice relaxed people move on, and the grinders are left. Fewer people return for each patch, and there's a shorter window of time when new content can be experienced with people who know how to have fun gaming.

However it's not impossible. I got a couple nice groups this week. Also I never tell people I'm new. Either everything will be overexplained or people will be rude. People in DF have zero expectations of others knowing the fight, so just try the fight and see how it goes.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

One statement: Go to the FFXI forums (if your account is valid on there), and people will complain and yell at you to go back here because they think FFXI is better than FFXIV. They even act like that on the Facebook groups. Trust me, they are way more toxic than the FFXIV community. We are literally like children at church compared to them.

[Yasuhiro]

One statement: Go to the FFXI forums (if your account is valid on there), and people will complain and yell at you to go back here because they think FFXI is better than FFXIV. They even act like that on the Facebook groups. Trust me, they are way more toxic than the FFXIV community. We are literally like children at church compared to them.

Well I like both for different reasons but they're not wrong about FFXI being great (or better for that matter).
All these people who look up guides for this game wouldn't last long in FFXI when it first came out, hell I bet most of the ex WoW players here wouldn't last in a single player FF game.

[Andrea]

One statement: Go to the FFXI forums (if your account is valid on there), and people will complain and yell at you to go back here because they think FFXI is better than FFXIV. They even act like that on the Facebook groups. Trust me, they are way more toxic than the FFXIV community. We are literally like children at church compared to them.

I fail to see what FFXI has got to do with the state of FFXIVs community?

It comes across as you're saying, "at least ours isn't as bad as theirs" which if that is what you're saying is an awful way of looking at something and never leads to improvement but instead usually the opposite.

[luciferbelmont]

Going in blind patch day with sephirot was one of the best things i've experienced. The moment we figured out what to do to avoid his triple fist full of 9999 damage swipe, everyone was happy, and the chat was filled with Awesome and a lot of positivity. We figured out that fight by ourselves without using a video. I also tried looking up guides patch day for the 2 new dungeons and their weren't any videos up. I don't know why people expect to watch videos that don't even exist on patch day.

all that video hand holding is getting people edgy. Even when they aren't around.

[Jim_Berry]

Going in blind patch day with sephirot was one of the best things i've experienced. The moment we figured out what to do to avoid his triple fist full of 9999 damage swipe, everyone was happy, and the chat was filled with Awesome and a lot of positivity. We figured out that fight by ourselves without using a video. I also tried looking up guides patch day for the 2 new dungeons and their weren't any videos up. I don't know why people expect to watch videos that don't even exist on patch day.

all that video hand holding is getting people edgy. Even when they aren't around.

Yes! The Day One fights are always amazing. I remember this with Titan Ex, Thordan Ex, and now Sephirot Ex. However, now, people are impatient unfortunately, so it makes learning parties a pain rather than progressively having fun.

[Alexftw]

Yes! The Day One fights are always amazing. I remember this with Titan Ex, Thordan Ex, and now Sephirot Ex. However, now, people are impatient unfortunately, so it makes learning parties a pain rather than progressively having fun.

It's been 6 days since patch came out. Some of us have tried sepiroth for over 20 hours and experienced whole fight and just want to kill it. Yeah I don't mind training other people but.. Out of these 20 hours, 6 were spent stupidly in p1 wipes, 1 hour was spent on after wind add in p3 progress, and the other 13 hours were spent teaching ppl what to do in p3 even thought I put in my party finders, have enrage exp or whole fight exp.... Now tell me.. Why do I have to teach people all the time? I'm so borred of wiping there that I'd rather wait until I find 7 people who also know whole fight than.. Teach people p3 again and again. There's always someone who doesn't understand holding back everyone else(If everyone actually learned and didn't make same mistake twice I wouldn't be here complaining).

Resuming what I'm complaining: every time I make a kill party. 2-6 people thinking it's a train party for p3 will slip in and screw the rest of us. And I try to teach people instead of kicking and yet they don't listen. Ungrateful lier bastards sneaking in and not even making effort...