Bitter White Mages

[F_Maximillian]

Wasn't there a for-laughs healer stereotype thread or something? This would've been better off there without the added forum angst. Or was this meant to be a serious thread?

[Miyha]

A lot of times I run Diurnal with a WHM simply because I never know exactly how trustworthy their healing will be. >.> Especially if it's in brand new content that I've (and most likely the WHM) never run before. Plus, is there ever really any harm in having double regens? :P

If a WHM complains because you're in Diurnal, they're stupid. It's not like your regens don't stack with/override theirs (as Noct shields do with SCH's), and I've been in several instances where opting for the doubled-up regens is more effective than running Noct. (One of which I can immediately recall was when I was first learning A2S, until I got a bit more comfortable with the flow of damage and required HPS for my tank.) Of course, that's not to say that mitigation isn't useful, especially in the form of the instant shield that Aspected Benefic provides. But still, for most content... There's really not much of a difference. It comparable to having two WHMs in a party, only one has some badass buffing abilities to spice things up a bit.

Sometimes it seems like ASTs can never win though: if you run Diurnal with a WHM, you get chewed out because you "should be running Nocturnal". If you run Noct, you get chewed out because "Nocturnal is useless and you should never use it". I swear to god. AST has been out for long enough, and though it may take more than an "average" player to be able to make the class shine (in the words of Yoshi P, anyhow), it's kind of baffling how few people really know how the class works and its potential...

[technole]

A lot of times the issue with Diurnal Astro paired with a White Mage is they will think they are another White Mage. So they will play like one when the job and skills aren't exactly that, and sometimes both thinking they are main healers. So Diurnal with White Mage many times ends up in overheal. I can assure most say something like they just "prefer the stance". So they don't care that WHM regen skills have more potency per tick and the skill regen is longer, and that is where the double regen argument ends. Astro AB is not exactly regen, it is a front-loaded heal then regen ticks. So common scenarios WHM that had regen a GCD or more quicker than the AST and they are now at full HP, so now their late AB is already an overheal. Things like that add-up.

Then the obvious factor of not having mitigation for fights that can need it like Seph Ex, Thordan Ex, A4S. If those primal LB bars/stacks build up too high, you have no shield mitigation to protect against those, and effectively killed most if not all the party. Now the Astro has no one to blame but themselves. Of course those primals (not A4S) have been solo healed without mitigation, but it's not always a perfect world either and the job of a healer to keep everyone alive. The wrong stance can be part of that factor.

[AniCelestine]

snipety snipsnip.

And here comes the funny part: The AST that think they're the main healer should reconsider their stance. Diurnal helps alot with dps with passive 5% atk speed and HoTs to act as a fairy replica. And then another thing. There are good and bad players. So ofc there'll be bad ASTs and those bad ASTs won't understand there are fights that need nocturnal. In the perfect world everyone would understand basic logic and apply it onto a game. But sadly it's not like that.

[Sida]

Looking from the sidelines, the diurnal vs nocturnal debate is starting to look a lot like eos vs selene debate before HW. It even includes the "why doesn't the other healer choose the opposite" aspect.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Diurnal helps alot with dps with passive 5% atk speed and HoTs to act as a fairy replica.

Same would apply when they're in the main healer seat, though. Being in the main healer seat doesn't mean you're only healing

[Oohlalaheals]

I play all 3 healers and I've never experienced this, either while playing my AST or playing as another healer with an AST. I will say though, there seems to be a lot of debate on which sect to use when in group with a WHM. Double regens are powerful, it's basically like having 2 WHMS in group which can work out just fine. I always ask the WHM if they have a preference, if they don't I choose based on the fight

[technole]

Casual content the double regen debate won't matter that much, because you can duty finder queue the content with any job combination, and they design the content to allow any healer/tank/dps jobs to clear that content. While it's not ideal to same sect stuff, there are advantages to having the right healer combo/sects cause it's not a perfect world. What if people get vulnerability stacks due to mechanic mess-ups? The current dollar-store stoneskin, if either ever bothers to use it due to lack of a mitigation healer, it might not even save them compared to a nice 130%+ HP shield. It's kind of embarrassing to see healers ignore these things, all because they have a "sect they prefer". But alas, this is how you tell the good Astros form the not-so-good.

Then is double regen "powerful" when both have to heal from well behind in HP due to lack of shielding for mechanics? No. There is a reason no serious savage raid group goes double White Mage. When you are progressing with content where you barely meet the ilevel, stuff is going to hurt harder than it normally would if you were to overgear. This content you can't duty finder, it has to be pre-made and you'll take the right combo of jobs because of raid synergy.

[Tint]

Casual content the double regen debate won't matter that much, because you can duty finder queue the content with any job combination, and they design the content to allow any healer/tank/dps jobs to clear that content.

i can solo heal any casual content with my whm, so who cares what the other healer does? :x okay, A7 is probably not completely solo-heal-able xD

[technole]

i can solo heal any casual content with my whm, so who cares what the other healer does? :x okay, A7 is probably not completely solo-heal-able xD

I actually mentioned solo healer a few posts before this one. I think A7 will be able to with gear progression. Boss just has a ton of HP.