DRK Det vs SkS for crafted melds?

[Lawson_Grey]

Two tanking rings, both have a Str5 in the guaranteed slots.

It's crit capped already, so that leaves Determination or Skill Speed for melds.

Determination gives less stats than Skill Speed. Det 4s give 6 Det whereas SkS 4s give 9.

Tp costs were reduced last patch, making TPing out less of a concern.

Skill Speed means more mana returned from Blood Weapon when you can use it, and of course more auto speed. Lower GCD is also my preferred style of play from WoW days, I enjoy the faster gameplay.

3.0 adjusted SkS so it affects dots. This should mean Scourge AND Salted Earth scale from SkS. I'm not sure if the relationship between the two has been properly mathed out by anyone yet.

24 Det vs 36 SkS, which would you prefer? Remember you cant' just compare Det to SkS because you are getting MORE SkS per materia slot.

[BattleGrace]

maybe someone else can chime in but i was under the impression that you could not meld STR into crafted gear regardless of if they have a slot or not.
i would personaly take the Det, the SKS will only bleed you dry faster, not that 36 SKS is much but is is still something worth concidering.

[Lawson_Grey]

You can meld STR onto the VIT accessories. I currently have 2 both with 15str in them. Again, TP cost reduction happened and I dont think bleeding dry is an issue. I'm trying to get advice on pure dps between 24 det and 36 sks

[Nekotee]

maybe someone else can chime in but i was under the impression that you could not meld STR into crafted gear regardless of if they have a slot or not.
i would personaly take the Det, the SKS will only bleed you dry faster, not that 36 SKS is much but is is still something worth concidering.

Only overmelding is forbidden for primary stat
As long as you have open green slot AND if the equipment is not capped you can meld STR
Needless to say that only accessories are not STR capped

[Violette]

If you get it all due to sks having exponential returns you're looking at sks melds.

[Lawson_Grey]

If you get it all due to sks having exponential returns you're looking at sks melds.

What do you mean by "if you get it all"? Anyway I'm thinking SkS melds are best for the tank rings, just seeing if anyone had other thoughts.

[Syzygian]

Det. Hands down, without question.

Skill Speed is actually really bad for DRK. The shorter your GCD is, the less of a boost Blood Weapon cutting 10% from it is (-10% from a 2.4 GCD is a greater gain than -10% from a 2.35 GCD). That and if your GCD is too short you cannot always properly double-weave under Blood Weapon.

If you like, get enough SkS for a GCD of 2.37 (minimum allowable GCD to not lose Scourge without BW use, should high Grit uptime be required for mitigation checks). I believe the value is 687-ish iirc. Any lower than that and you're just gimping your gains from BW and DRK's newly decent TP sustain.

Basically, you're better off pumping out higher raw damage since you already have a cooldown that effects your attack speed.

[KorenA]

Det. Hands down, without question.

Skill Speed is actually really bad for DRK. The shorter your GCD is, the less of a boost Blood Weapon cutting 10% from it is (-10% from a 2.4 GCD is a greater gain than -10% from a 2.35 GCD). That and if your GCD is too short you cannot always properly double-weave under Blood Weapon.

If you like, get enough SkS for a GCD of 2.37 (minimum allowable GCD to not lose Scourge without BW use, should high Grit uptime be required for mitigation checks). I believe the value is 687-ish iirc. Any lower than that and you're just gimping your gains from BW and DRK's newly decent TP sustain.

Basically, you're better off pumping out higher raw damage since you already have a cooldown that effects your attack speed.

I'm still trying to figure out my pattern for my crafted accs

[Violette]

@Syzy although while it does decrease tp/damage, it also does have the best damage/return out of all the stats, including crit (if you get enough of it).

My reasoning here is in small doses sks is stronger than det (not crit) and given the small amount of sks weighted against the potential eStr gain that sks is better.

Given that det is linear crit is quasi linear (still slightly negative) and sks is a)being forced on us b) positive with value that sks is not a bad stat.


Not to mention losing a tiny bit of blood weapon effiency is not worth a larger increase in gcd. That's just stupid man, c'mon.

Let's just take your example: 10% of 2.4 is 0.24.
So end gcd will be 2.16, no?

If the gcd starts at 2.35, 10% is 0.235.
So end gcd is 0.2125. Of course it is MINORLY less efficient but if that gets you an extra action during bloody weapon (which it does. 15/2.16 =6.99994 while 15/2.125=7.05) it is far more worth it for mp regain.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Skill speed only boosts the effective damage from more frequent gcd based moves, as far as Drk is concerned. On the other hand, det not only increases the base damage of all gcd moves, it also increases the damage dealt by drk's over abundance of offgcd attacks like Carve and Split and Dark Passenger.

I'd say det wins out.