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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post

    And I'm surprised by how many people think Aymeric is going to throw Estinien away....
    I know a lot of people see him as being too "perfect" and are convinced there's a darker/ evil/ different side to his nature we've not seen, but I think we've already seen both sides of him...
    "If I stray in my remarks, I ask that you trust my judgement..." not sure where he did...which leaves what we didn't hear.

    I don't think it is a matter of there being a darker side to him so much that it plays to a tragic flaw. Right now, the only people we know are resolved to save Estinien now are our character and Alphinaud. Unless this was stated earlier in heavensward, I think Aymeric doesn't know of this. what he does know is that he tried swinging for the fences on peace multiple times and they have been ending in disaster.

    Right now, the Nidhogg possesed Estinien offers a tempting target: peace cannot be earned while Nidhogg lives, and through this, there is more to gain with Estinien's corpse than his friendship. By killing him and making it clear Nidhogg is dead, Aymeric gains the peace with the dragons, silence from dissenters, and Ishgard's freedom from the Dragonsong war. Literally everything to gain for him and those interested in those goals, and so little to lose.

    all Aymeric needs to do is kill one angry, vengeful, dragon possessed friend already out for his hide to get it.

    in contrast, Alphinaud and the main character's reason for saving Estinien are personal and complex, he is a friend, and having seen enough friends die to our enemies, we don't want to abandon him to the monsterous Nidhogg. We're not even sure of how, only that we must try to save him, not merely for his sake, but our own.

    Unless someone gives up here, this is a plot powder keg dying to go off.
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    Lunaxia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    "If I stray in my remarks, I ask that you trust my judgement..." not sure where he did...which leaves what we didn't hear.

    I don't think it is a matter of there being a darker side to him so much that it plays to a tragic flaw. Right now, the only people we know are resolved to save Estinien now are our character and Alphinaud. Unless this was stated earlier in heavensward, I think Aymeric doesn't know of this.

    Right now, the Nidhogg possesed Estinien offers a tempting target: peace cannot be earned while Nidhoog lives. by killing him and making it clear he is dead, Aymeric gains the peace with the dragons, silence from dissenters, and Ishgard's freedom from the Dragonsong war. Literally everything to gain for him and those interested in those goals, and so little to lose.

    all Aymeric needs to do is kill one angry, vengeful, dragon possessed friend already out for his hide to get it.

    in contrast, Alphinaud and the main character's reason for saving Estinien are personal and complex, he is a friend, and having seen enough friends die to our enemies, we don't want to abandon him to the monsterous Nidhogg. We're not even sure of how, only that we must try.

    Unless someone gives up here, this is a plot powder keg dying to go off.
    We can't ever know for certain, of course, but I think he was probably going to give a predictable "let man and dragon make a new start as friends etc. etc." speech, but after the protester incident he ended up changing it to acknowledging what the people of Ishgard have gone through but asking them to let go of it for the sake of the future.

    We don't know that Aymeric isn't resolved to rescuing Estinien, though - he's been quiet on this since it happened, and the end of this patch's MSQ was the first time we've seen him be directly confronted with it (which leads me to believe this will be brought up as an important point in 3.3.) Killing Estinien isn't "so little to lose" for him, either - his emotions will be even more complex than Alphinaud's due to their history together.

    I predict him being pressured by Ishgard to sacrifice Estinien, and possibly giving the appearance of going along with it or being indifferent - then ultimately reveal he's been planning a way to save him all along. A lot of his moments in the MSQ hint towards this.

    Either way, I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a second Haurchefant... the sudden focus on his and the WoL's relationship has me worried.
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