Eastern Cherry Tree

[Neira]

This is a tough thing for them to address, though. Some people, like myself, spent a lot of time trying to farm them during the event so that we(myself, FC, and waifu) would have extras if we ever needed them. We haven't sold any, even at these outrageous prices(around 4m on my server), and we don't currently plan to sell any. We worked for them during the event and gathered enough to decorate three homes with around a dozen to spare, and even gave out some to friends who didn't get enough or any during the event.

Adding them to the Mogstation is a horrible idea, for the many reasons that others have listed. Adding them to a vendor would be a more ideal solution, but why should people who only decided to farm one, two, or even a dozen be able to get more for no effort when people who had the foresight to predict their desire for more trees and farmed as many as we did have wasted our time for nothing? This seems like a solution that only favors those who were lazy, and hurts those who worked hard for extras and those who weren't subscribed during that time.

I would completely support bringing back the tree in an event, in it's original obtainable format(or a scaled version for HW difficulty), but any other solution just seems to either be slackers wanting freebies, or open to RMT and greed. Also, can we please stop asking SE to put stuff on the cash shop? It's a bit depressing to see so many people essentially shouting out, "Please, take my money by withholding content from the game I paid for and subscribe to! I'm that desperate!" Our solutions to getting in-game items returned to us shouldn't always be them profiting further off of us, we already pay to play this game.

[Syrehn]

This is a tough thing for them to address, though. Some people, like myself, spent a lot of time trying to farm them during the event so that we(myself, FC, and waifu) would have extras if we ever needed them. We haven't sold any, even at these outrageous prices(around 4m on my server), and we don't currently plan to sell any. We worked for them during the event and gathered enough to decorate three homes with around a dozen to spare, and even gave out some to friends who didn't get enough or any during the event.

Adding them to the Mogstation is a horrible idea, for the many reasons that others have listed. Adding them to a vendor would be a more ideal solution, but why should people who only decided to farm one, two, or even a dozen be able to get more for no effort when people who had the foresight to predict their desire for more trees and farmed as many as we did have wasted our time for nothing? This seems like a solution that only favors those who were lazy, and hurts those who worked hard for extras and those who weren't subscribed during that time.

I would completely support bringing back the tree in an event, in it's original obtainable format(or a scaled version for HW difficulty), but any other solution just seems to either be slackers wanting freebies, or open to RMT and greed. Also, can we please stop asking SE to put stuff on the cash shop? It's a bit depressing to see so many people essentially shouting out, "Please, take my money by withholding content from the game I paid for and subscribe to! I'm that desperate!" Our solutions to getting in-game items returned to us shouldn't always be them profiting further off of us, we already pay to play this game.

I agree that adding them to mogstation would not be ideal.

However, as someone who farmed 12 for my personal house, 12 for my significant other, and another few for my FC I have 0 problems having them obtainable via the Salvager or a seasonal merchant. I personally, in no way feel, that it detracts from my accomplishment of farming to have others who farmed a few less have an easier way to obtain more. To me that mindset it just selfish.

This is not limited to just Cherry Trees. This also applies to any seasonal housing item that is now unobtainable unless someone puts it on the MB (i.e. wallpapers etc.)

[Neira]

I agree that adding them to mogstation would not be ideal.

However, as someone who farmed 12 for my personal house, 12 for my significant other, and another few for my FC I have 0 problems having them obtainable via the Salvager or a seasonal merchant. I personally, in no way feel, that it detracts from my accomplishment of farming to have others who farmed a few less have an easier way to obtain more. To me that mindset it just selfish.

This is not limited to just Cherry Trees. This also applies to any seasonal housing item that is now unobtainable unless someone puts it on the MB (i.e. wallpapers etc.)

So, I'm reading, as someone who farmed a lot, but not enough, you want more without working for them again. But, despite our situations being almost identical, I spent more time farming for extras, and I'm the selfish for one for asking that they be added again as a quest instead of no extra effort involved?

We're obviously both speaking from our own point of view, but let me ask you, did you read my suggestion as to how I wished for an implementation? Who, exactly, would lose out if it was added as a quest? People who have some still would have to work for more, people who never got it previously would have a chance to get it, and people who didn't get enough previously could work for more. It seems quite fair, to me. But who would lose out if it was given as a calamity salvager item, for sale, as you suggest? Everyone who worked for extras would have wasted their time, everyone who wasn't there for the event would still be lacking the item, and the only people who would benefit are those who farmed some but not enough. Like you.

I don't mind you getting upset or calling me selfish since I all-but called you out in my original post. I almost replied to you in it, because part of the post was addressing you. But, while I've seen you post enough to know that trying to see things from a view other than your own isn't exactly your strong suit, I hope that it's pretty obvious that only one of the three suggestions in this topic(Mogstation, Calamity Salvager, reintroduce quest) is taking an approach that gives favoritism or benefit to no one, and puts us all on equal ground.

Though I do understand why you wouldn't like that suggestion, because as someone who also farmed a considerable number of trees, I really have no desire to go through that horrendous grind again. However, if the quest did come out again, I still would, because they're a great furnishing, highly in demand, and I have friends that would like some. Plus, I would like to see the many people who have been complaining for a while about the trees to have a chance to get them, and not just those of us who were playing and participated the last time.

Finally, before you try and backpedal, I'd like to take a moment to quote you.

There is absolutely no reason that if players participated in the previous event and purchased one of said items that they shouldn't be made available for us to acquire again, be it via Salvager or seasonal merchant.

The moment you said that, I disagreed with you. If you want to amend the statement to imply that you're fine with new people getting it as well, then go ahead, and I wouldn't resent such an idea. However, don't you dare have the audacity to call me selfish when you propose a plan that neglects the entire new user base or people who weren't subscribed for a couple of week period because I want to offer a fair alternative that gives us exactly what we all had before.

[Noxifer]

Adding them to a vendor would be a more ideal solution, but why should people who only decided to farm one, two, or even a dozen be able to get more for no effort when people who had the foresight to predict their desire for more trees and farmed as many as we did have wasted our time for nothing? This seems like a solution that only favors those who were lazy, and hurts those who worked hard for extras and those who weren't subscribed during that time.

Personally, I'd prefer it if they were added in a secondary shop (through a separate NPC or just another option from the usual event vendor) during the same type of annual event. But I think it could also work if they were added to the Calamity Salvager... but not right away. Say if they were added to the Salvager when that event came back the next year. It'd give those furniture grinders a whole year to enjoy the extra effort they put in, and those who weren't interested (or didn't have inventory space at the time) would have to be patient instead.

Like I said, though, I'd definitely prefer the 'sell the furniture for gil during the same type of event' option. Yes, gil, even if it originally was something you had to grind for. While it'd mean they'd have to set a price tag on the 'difficulty' of the grind, it'd probably be easier than introducing the same grind again ^^; It'd also have the benefit over the Salvager option that you wouldn't really need to consider if some furniture should be added right away when they updated the other things on the Salvager (after all, not all the furniture are the grind type). And, of course, it'd mean one extra option per event vendor*, instead of a gazillion extra options on the Salvager.

Just make a new version of the eastern cherry tree that is untradeable/no MB.

As has been pointed out, this is circumventable through FC chests and/or furniture placement. And yes, the Eternal Bond bracelets were also tradable (effectively RMT), but the intent of that was to allow one EB partner to buy the bracelet as a present. Bad choice? In my opinion... a bit of both, but definitely a case of 'Ok, let's not do this again'. YMMV.

*) For now. I know that in theory the list of items would probably grow as each year passes, but... It'd still be separated on an event basis, which the Salvager doesn't have the benefit of.


Edit:

Btw. Was I one of the few to mail cherry trees to friends who missed the event who I knew had houses or fcs?

Nope =) You weren't. Well, not necessarily to friends who missed the event, I don't know that, but I have friends who happily gathered up a bunch of trees for friends who didn't have the time (for one reason or another) to do more than the mere basics to get past the event.
(I was one of those who didn't have time, or I'd probably have gotten a bunch of trees just because. Got myself two trees IIRC, but didn't need any extra ones since I don't have a personal house and had a couple of FC mates who really got into the tree hugging xD)

[Noxifer]

Can we at least get them added to the mogstation? It'd be such a shame to have them all on the MB for exorbitant prices for those who weren't around to do the event when it first released.

Yes, by all means bring them to the Mogstation. That way we can have legal RMT, by paying SE real money to get those trees, then turn around and sell them for 500k+ each on the market board. :|

(Yes, that was sarcasm.)

I agree that they should bring them back, but furniture should be kept away from the Mogstation since it's impossible to make them completely untradable. Even if you can't put them up on the Marketboard, you can usually trade them. And if you can't trade them, you can still use in-FC trading through the FC chest, or by placing the item down and having another FC member (or temporary key holder to your private estate) pick it up. If they started doing this, you can bet your behind that there would crop up people with personal houses offering to sell/trade Mogstation furniture via that system, giving people temporary access via the housemate system, only having the furniture you want to sell out and removing their access once the trade's gone through.

Adding them to the Calamity Salvager is a good idea, though. Alternatively to bring them back to an event vendor for gil each year. (It wouldn't take any more effort or space than to put them on the calamity salvager, after all, and all they'd have to do each year is to add the previous year's furniture to the list, then activate the vendor.) Keep it separate from the vendor with the current year's rewards if you will, or have it as a separate option when you talk to the regular event vendor.

[TheSamplingParadise]

*snip*.

My second post had a suggestion to make them MogStation but make them market prohibited >.<

Though I should prolly edit my first post to include that too, so if it gets liked it can be seen o/

[Noxifer]

My second post had a suggestion to make them MogStation but make them market prohibited >.<

Though I should prolly edit my first post to include that too, so if it gets liked it can be seen o/

And like I said, even if they're unmarketable, you can still trade them. At the very least you can trade them via house placement or FC chest -- since you can do that today with Bound items.

[BARDS_ARROW]

Why just the Eastern Cherry Tree?

Since it was an event reward,and there's bound to be people that want to keep it as a special ~thing~ or resell for insane prices, why not do something a little different? - Why not petition SE to release different blossoming/ornamental trees? That way you're allowing for all subscribers the chance to get something nice. Those that did the event, those that did and sold their blossom trees and those that weren't a player or couldn't do the event at the time.

Currently in game we have Apple Trees, Orange Trees and grape vines in various locales so the possibility is there for them to develop different trees. I'll grant you that the Cherry Blossom tree is the most know blossom tree however.

(Yes I'll be that person who tries to find a happy medium for people.)

[Waeksyn]

You cannot have things purchasable for real money that are salable or transferable in game. As pointed out by Noxifer, that is effectively RMT.

That said, please add it back into a seasonal quest.

[TheSamplingParadise]

You cannot have things purchasable for real money that are salable or transferable in game. As pointed out by Noxifer, that is effectively RMT.

That said, please add it back into a seasonal quest.

You can still trade wedding bands bought from the MogStation >_> unless they fixed that finally.

But I agree, I edited my original first post to include the different ways they can bring them back \o/