Primal Summons = I Win Button what do you think?

[Stryfe]

今後、新生以降の召喚システムには2つのアイデアがあります。いわゆるペットとしてモンスターや精霊を呼び出すというものと、蛮神そのものを呼び出す召 喚はまったく別に考えています。蛮神そのものを呼び出すのは、そのワールドで1つのプレーヤーコミュニティが権利をホールドして、2週間全員で召喚ゲージ をためて、一発呼び出したらまた野に帰るというMMOらしい召喚にしたいなと。
For post New FFXIV summoning system we have 2 ideas. One is pet type where you can summon monsters or spirits, and for calling out banshin/primal we are thinking of something else. To actually call summon 1 player community can have the right/key to hold and and in 2 weeks having everyone charge their summoning gauge and once summoning it goes back to nature. Summoning with a MMO feel.

編：　どういうシチュエーションで蛮神を呼ぶことを想定していますか？
吉田氏：　好きなときで良いと思います。自分たちのフリーカンパニーでは倒せないボスを一撃必殺で「イ フリートさんやっちゃってください」という場合もあれば、PvPエリアでさんざん辛酸をなめているヘビープレーヤー集団のフリーカンパニーを「一撃でなぎ 倒してやってください」といった使い方です。ありとあらゆるものを超越していて良いと。ただし1回しか使えず、次またいずこかに現われる「イフリート」を 倒さなければならないですし、それが自分たちに回ってくるとは限らない。世界のどこかで「イフリート」が召喚されたら全ゾーンの天候が変わり、だれかが 「イフリート」を呼んだとわかる。それが「FF」がMMORPGになるという意味なのかなと僕は考えています。かなり具体的にお話させていただいています が、設計はすでに終わって仕様もだいたい決まっているので、あとはサーバーが出来上がり次第作っていくだけです。
GameWatch - Whats your idea on what type of situation can you summon primals?
YoshiP - I think it’s OK to call whenever you like. When you can’t kill the boss in a free company using it as a final card asking “Ifrit beat the crap out of it” or in PvP area taking those heavy (hardcore) players always beating everyone up “Please take them down with one shot”.
It’s OK to go overboard. However you can only use it once and you don’t know when you can kill the next Ifrit and it doesn’t mean that card will come to you next time. When Ifrit gets summoned somewhere it will change the weather of all zones and you can tell someone summoned Ifrit. I think that be FF like MMORPG. It’s just general talk but we have the structure laid out and system is pretty much set so once the server is made we just need to build it.

編：　精霊を呼び出せる召喚士というジョブも追加される？
吉田氏：　いずれ実装します。ペットユーザーというのは、MMORPGのクラスでは花形でもありますし。例えば「カーバンクル」は召喚士が呼べる召喚獣です。しかし「イフリート」や「ガルーダ」や「リヴァイアサン」、「オーディン」は蛮神であるというわけです。
GameWatch - Job Summoner where you can summon spirits will also be implemented?
YoshiP - We will eventually implement. Pet users are star in MMORPG class. For example carbuncle is a summon a summner can call however “Ifrit” or “Garuda” or “Leviathan” or “Odin” are gods.

編：　どのあたりに線引きがあるのですか？
吉田氏：　感覚論なので難しいですね（笑）。単純に個人が術式で呼び出せてもおかしくないものが召喚獣で、そうでないものが蛮神です。
GameWatch - At what point is there a line to decide which is which?
YoshiP - That’s hard questions since it depends on feeling (laugh) generally something you can call yourself is summon, and those which you can’t call on own are gods.

編：　「シヴァ」や「ラムウ」はどうですか？
吉田氏：　あの2体も蛮神の予定です。特にエレメンタル四元素＋光闇あたりに関しては確定で蛮神かなと。
GameWatch - How about Shiva or Ramu?
YoshiP - Those two are also planned as gods. Mainly 4 elements and Light/Dark are confirmed gods.

This is a section taken from a Famitsu/Game Watch Interview https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...hl=en_US&pli=1

First of all its a sketchy translation, if someone has time to translate a little more in depthly it would be greatly appreciated.

Too sum up this section of the interview Yoshi P says that there will be summons (ie Carbuncle) which can be summoned solo by the summoner class, and there will be Primals (ie Ifrit) which are summoned by a Free Companies who has gained access to the summon and filled their summoning gauge.

Yoshi P goes further in saying that the Primal summon can be used in PvP/PvE as a last resort "I Win Button", and that using it will clear your right to the summoning spell and reset the Primal so another Free Company can claim it.

I personally like the fact that you wont be able to summon the Primals as summoner, because they are gods in the games story line...

But in my humble opinion, I think that putting an "I Win Button" in the game would completely break the game. For instance, Yoshi P says that not everyone at the same time would have access to this summon. How unfair it would be to the Free Company who bust their ass to clear a content just to have a different Free Company with the luck of the draw attain the summon walk in and one shot it.

What if the Free Company attains the summon but never needs it for any of the content and in spite just holds onto it.

What if when PvP is finally out and you are one win from attaining some for of rank just to have a completely inferior team just pop Ifrit in your face? That seem just a little rediculous and broaken to me.

So lets say a Free Company who can clear Ifrit but not Garuda, finally gets the Ifrit summon. They then can walk into the Garuda fight and clear it instantly because of pure luck and 0 skill. That totally demeans the achievement of those Free Companies who have cleared that content legitimately.

Adding this Primal summoning idea would completely ruin end game content, and in the long wrong ruin the game for me.

This is posted to get the communities feel for this idea as well as the dev teams.

Hopefully we can stop this before it ruins the content.

[Chardrizard]

Yes, lets stop something that we have not a single idea how is it going work really other than some vague translations.

[Alerith]

It's kinda moot point. SE can do exactly what they did to Spirit damage and Souleater. Make mobs resistant to it. A lot of the newer XI NMs are resistant or build resistance to Souleater. Most of them also take half or lower damage from Spirit's Within.

They could easily say "These NMs are immune/resistant" to primal damage.

[Stryfe]

Please read the interview Yoshi P directly says this is already decided on just not implemented:

"I think it’s OK to call whenever you like. When you can’t kill the boss in a free company using it as a final card asking “Ifrit beat the crap out of it” or in PvP area taking those heavy (hardcore) players always beating everyone up “Please take them down with one shot”.
It’s OK to go overboard."

Please read the entire post before responding.

Also just another point, I would be fine if these Free Companies got his as a small buff like having him fight with you doing a basic increase of damage but not an "I Win Button"

Also Alerith how long did it take for them to nerf soul eater, this needs to stopped before it comes out.

[Choyi]

I dont know, its a little bit too little info released to be worried at this point, and personaly I find alot of this sounding awesome.

I doubt it would be a instant kill, but say you summon Ifrit on Garuda and he takes away 25-35% of her hp or somehting, I'd be fine with that, would be very similar to everyone using their 2h for a BCNM fight in XI, but in this case it will be something even more rare to do.

And even if a group beats Garuda once with the aid of Ifrit, how are they going to keep killing her and get all the items she drops since they already used up their Ifrit summon?
Even more so Yohsi P said aquiring the summon would be very rare chance.

In the long run thoose people will still have to figure out tactics and practice the encounter to successfullly be able to beat it time and time again.

I also think you misinterpert that only one free company can have Ifrit summon card per server at a time, to me its sound more like you can only have 1 Ifrit summon avaliable at a time within your Free Company.

This all sounds very FF to me seing as you could do the same with summons such as Odin and Yojimbo alltho more frequent depending on your gil funds.

I think we should wait for officialy translated info on this before we freak out and burn the idea to the ground.

[Answa]

It sounds amazing and I can't wait. I didn't read anything you said, just what he said. And it sounds like fun.

@Choyi: Naw, it does sound like only one FC at a time holds the Ifrit card. Or the other primals' for that matter. Which is awesome. It sounds like there's randomization involved, and it says every two weeks.

[ShepardG]

I see a repeated pattern on these forums of knee-jerk reactions to the most vague $#!t.... please think before you make a topic like this...
Discussing something like this is akin to me learning that power bar will be the preferred food of the 2061 mission to mars and then freaking the hell out about it....
IDEALLY this interview would have been posted, and the OP would have thought about both the good and the bad instead of just assumed negatives, and instead of saying KILLITNOW BEFORE ITS BORN, they could have looked for incitful discussion on positives and negatives in today's current game environment, as that's the one we currently have. Not trying to bash you OP, just see this more and more, and the discussions that are going to make it to the Devs are the ones who spawn constructive new ideas...

[Evenstar]

I love it when people read something about "A" then make their own story of it and turn it into "B". After a while they even create a possible problem "C" and solution "D", while they have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

Dude, we have no idea how the primals/summons are going to work out. We do not know how PvP is going to work out, so why the hell are we making up problems right now ....

[Aion]

Something that WE must need to CHARGE for one or two WEEK is worth of a WIN button

[Alerith]

Something that WE must need to CHARGE for one or two WEEK is worth of a WIN button

It'd be nice if it works like a spiritbond kind of deal.

Your free company forms a party of eight, then as you gain EXP together, each person's "Primal Bar" fills. Doesn't fill if you don't party at full capacity, and the Primal can't be summoned unless you're in a party of eight of your free company members.