For the 129392831203123801 time. STOP IT with the genderlocked gear.

[KaijinRhada]

Honestly, I just want male/female equivalents on gear releases. Either have one set with two corresponding model tweaks (like how certain gear sets will change depending on sex), or when a themed set gets released, something for male and something for female. Gender locks are fine, if everyone gets something, not the unisex/female BS.

[Noxifer]

Some things in this game can/should be made for both sexes. They're not, but with all the other options out there, I'm sure people find something much better or equal to what they wanted. You're taking the word that has a heavy meaning to it and applying it to a video game.

You are not being discriminated against. This isn't unjust. This is a video game.

In a way it is. It may not be gender discrimination (as we see it IRL), and it may not be as serious as IRL discrimination, but you are given fewer options based on the gender of your character.

but think of more of the business aspect of it rather than the flaming crosses of hate you seem to be so sure of.

Never said anything about flaming crosses of hate or anything to that effect. I know it's mainly a business decision, same as their initial decision to make the EB ceremony strictly male-female. Due to the backlash of that, they changed said decision. If people hadn't spoken up about it, would it have been changed? Most likely not.

Generally, feedback is there to tell the people in charge what you're unhappy about. If no feedback is given about something, the people in charge are usually going to assume that everything is fine with it. So yes, call it 'entitlement' if you will, but the forums are there to allow people to give feedback and make requests. (Yes, I'm calling it requests, even though 'request' threads in general are often phrased and titled as demands.) The players do have the right to post and try to get the devs' attention. The devs also have the right to ignore any and all players they choose to ignore, I'm not saying they don't. But being ignored isn't a cease and desist either; people can continue to try to get attention and 'prove' that their issue is one that other people feel the same about. The more people that agree, the better, no?

I know that no all pro-unisex are gay, transgender. Then again not all the "insulters" are straight religious people. I'm bi-sexual, and I am here playing the role of the insulter. Telling you that it is okay.

And I know that not everyone against it are straight, religious people. I'm also well aware that not everyone against it is arguing through insults. I have nothing against civil and constructive arguments, it's just when they start out with name-calling, or make it obvious they didn't even read the first post (by claiming something completely irrelevant to the actual topic, like "men in dresses is wrong" when the topic is "genderlock balance") that I come close to headdesking ^^;

But you know what...much like the hate and anger that we've gotten in the real world along with how your tone has made it.

I do apologize if my tone has appeared in any way antagonistic or zealous. Yes, I am passionate about the subject, but I'm trying (and from what I can tell, mostly succeeding) in keeping a calm and fairly logical tone. Sure, my logic may be flawed from an outside perspective, or it may at least seem to be, but... I'm not just throwing stuff out without thinking about it. Nor do I do so with any intention of arguing just for the sake of arguing. I'm not good at the whole 'reading between lines' thing, so when I (for example) ask for clarification on something, nine times out of ten it's because I'm genuinely curious or puzzled as to the answer to my question.

There is no injustice here. There is only people who have never won a battle that are desperately trying to win one. I guess every bit helps. Now if you'll excuse me..I'm going to clock out, hit the gym and amazon myself a nice banana hammock. Fight the good fight my friend, I hope you pro-all-stuff get what you want next patch.

In your eyes, there might not be any injustice. But in other people's eyes, the glamour balance is unfair. It's better now than it's been before, yes. But maybe it's precisely because we don't want to risk going back to the 2.x imbalance that we're bringing up seemingly inconsequential issues like "female characters get one pair of gloves more than us". =)

at first i thought these threads were legitimate and made decent points. Mostly that a lot of the "male" sets were unisex
but lately these posts just come off as "LOOK AT ME I'M AN ACTIVIST FOR EQUALITY"

If everything was the same for everyone all the time the world would be a boring place.
Look at the bright side, if you want to be a dude wearing a belly dancer outfit you can do that in real life all you want and no one will stop you

So the argument that female/unisex is unfair is less valid now? Because it's been made before? But while I agree that the last two patches have been better with regards to that than 2.0-3.0, that's one of the verbs that really should be conjugated "better, good, best", at least in some contexts.
Yes, many posts tend to come off as "look, it's me again, chanting the same old thing!" but... it's really tricky to monologue for a long time without sounding like that. And without much of a dialogue with SE (apart from vague 'we're considering maybe changing some things' and 'please look forward to it!'), a monologue is pretty much what it is =/

Honestly, I just want male/female equivalents on gear releases. Either have one set with two corresponding model tweaks (like how certain gear sets will change depending on sex), or when a themed set gets released, something for male and something for female. Gender locks are fine, if everyone gets something, not the unisex/female BS.

Pretty much my opinion, yes =)

[Niwashi]

Folks have ran this flag up that pole several times DEMANDING they implement this feature and it has been ignored. You can count on the fact that folks're sick of seeing this come up every patch.

If SE would quit adding to the problem every patch, then players could quit complaining about it at every patch. That sure sounds like the best solution to your annoyance at these threads.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

For the 129392831203123801 time. STOP IT with the genderlocked gear threads! I'm feeding the monster....

In fact, i will start a thread with the same number +1 everytime a new genderlocked gear is put into the game.

Look at the bright side, if you want to be a dude wearing a belly dancer outfit you can do that in real life all you want and no one will stop you

Im a feminist and equality activist irl, so yeah, is pretty much a given genderlocks on gear and such pisses me off, specially when there is stuff that would be great for me to wear but they are genderlocked for absolutely not good reason by developing laziness.

And your example about real life is simply stupid, is like saying we should be thankfull there are not bahamuts in real life nuking our cities. Duh.

If SE would quit adding to the problem every patch, then players could quit complaining about it at every patch. That sure sounds like the best solution to your annoyance at these threads.

Thank you.

[TheUltimateSeph]

You know... That "solution" is getting really annoying. Because while this is a game and doesn't really compare all that well to RL, to me it reads like a small-scale version of, "Don't like that the guys at your job get a slightly higher salary than you? Have gender reassignment surgery! Then you won't have that problem anymore! "
Alternatively, it's the way people "treat" bullying. Instead of solving the issue, and dealing with the bullies, they move (or recommend to move) the bullied person to a different school. That way, they're not bullied anymore! Yay! Problem solved! *splashes everyone with bucket-loads of sarcasm*

It... doesn't work that way. People play the character gender they like to play as, and should have equal opportunities for glamour inside the game. After all, one of the statements made at the start of ARR regarding racial stats, and how men and women (of the same race) started with the same stats, was that they didn't want people to feel as if their choice of character gender would have an impact on what they could do in the game. Then they implemented glamour, and apparently threw that sentiment out the window.

I stopped reading at "...doesn't really compare all that well to RL..."

[Eul]

Unisex for bunny ears please

[Bladesinger]

Im a feminist and equality activist irl, so yeah, is pretty much a given genderlocks on gear and such pisses me off, specially when there is stuff that would be great for me to wear but they are genderlocked for absolutely not good reason by developing laziness.

And herein lies the problem, this game isn't a platform for you and the rest of your ilk to use as a platform to foist your opinion down the throats of a development team that obviously isn't interested in unlocking the Male/Female attire, it is a game that is presented AS IS and should be left to the development team's discreation as to how and what should be implemented. If you don't like what they're offering - LEAVE - no one is forcing you to pay for a game that obviously isn't meeting your "standards" =\

[Niwashi]

And herein lies the problem, this game isn't a platform for you and the rest of your ilk to use as a platform to foist your opinion down the throats of a development team that obviously isn't interested in unlocking the Male/Female attire, it is a game that is presented AS IS and should be left to the development team's discreation as to how and what should be implemented. If you don't like what they're offering - LEAVE - no one is forcing you to pay for a game that obviously isn't meeting your "standards" =\

So nobody should ever give any sort of advice, suggestions, or feedback about anything related to the game? If that were the case, these forums wouldn't exist.

Of course it's SE's game and they can do whatever they like with it. Nobody's suggested otherwise. But that doesn't mean that a feedback-less vacuum would be the best way for them to do so.

[Bladesinger]

So nobody should ever give any sort of advice, suggestions, or feedback about anything related to the game? If that were the case, these forums wouldn't exist. Of course it's SE's game and they can do whatever they like with it. Nobody's suggested otherwise. But that doesn't mean that a feedback-less vacuum would be the best way for them to do so.

People can and HAVE - the problem is that threads like this metastasize into activism. It is obvious, SE has no intention of honoring your request or they would have either A: addressed the matter or B: initiated it - Make your suggestion RESPECTFULLY - then leave it alone till they cn find enough time to address it.

[Noxifer]

I stopped reading at "...doesn't really compare all that well to RL..."

Sorry, it should probably have said "doesn't really compare all that well to RL situations". The game does, after all, exist in real life. And it wasn't the characters lives I was comparing to our RL ones, but the issue of some players having less options based on what gender they chose to play as. Outside of role-playing, it's not like it's our characters who really care about what they're allowed to wear, it's the players (well, some of them) who care about their gaming experience being different based on whether they're playing a male or a female.

At least I'm assuming you stopped reading because you disagreed with my making comparisons. Based on your short post and lack of clarification, it could just as easily have been that you stopped reading because you knew already at that point you'd agree with it all. Or that you disagreed with my statement that it doesn't compare well to RL situations.

Anyway, what I wanted to say in that post was basically that while it's pretty unimportant compared to RL situations, unfairness is possible to compare to at least certain aspects of RL situations.

People can and HAVE - the problem is that threads like this metastasize into activism. It is obvious, SE has no intention of honoring your request or they would have either A: addressed the matter or B: initiated it - Make your suggestion RESPECTFULLY - then leave it alone till they cn find enough time to address it.

They have addressed it. Vaguely. And they've started to follow it up slightly (by adding equal numbers of gender-locked outfits in patches). That doesn't mean it can't be pointed out when they fail to follow up on what they've said (adding more female-only than male-only), and keep requesting that they address the other half of the issue (repair the already existing genderlock imbalance by either making female-only sets unisex or by introducing more male-only, preferrably matching the existing female-ony/unisex combos).