For the 129392831203123801 time. STOP IT with the genderlocked gear.

[Andrea]

you don't see a man go in to female clothing shop demand for change do you.

Thats maybe because theres nothing stopping the man buying whatever clothes he wants to wear? and vice versa for women..In this game however that is not the case

That example makes no sense here...

[Serilda]

for all human history of fashion they been gender lock gear you don't see a man go in to female clothing shop demand for change do you. I am firm believe fantasy are basic off reality at some parts or another

That's not what people are upset about.

Firstly, the type of clothing you want to see gender-locked (short skirts, high heels, long skirts, feminine scarves) already exists for guys in Eorzea. Someone, somewhere is rocking a skirt and crop top on their male character in the game even as we post here. I promise. It's even 'enforced' with skirts for male characters when they equip some of the best gear for their job unless they glamour over them. Any kind of argument about the gender locks being for reasons of 'appropriateness' in invalidated by the delightfully kinky gear options readily available within the game.

Secondly, the gender locking in FFXIV is bizarre. We're given sets for girls, then sets for both guys and girls - but no corresponding sets for guys. Or items which are not in any way gender-coded like hats and gloves get gender locked to female-only.

Thank you for bumping this post

[FJerome]

Still holding out for those MGP bunny ears.

I'm vaguely baffled this was the patch guys got a dyeable vanity mini-skirt and yet they're still holding out on the bunny ears.

[Noxifer]

I see nothing wrong with gender lock gear. for all human history of fashion they been gender lock gear you don't see a man go in to female clothing shop demand for change do you.

Nope, I just buy my skirt and go home with it. No big deal, and no one stopping me from wearing it, either.

I'm vaguely baffled this was the patch guys got a dyeable vanity mini-skirt and yet they're still holding out on the bunny ears.

Have you tried wearing a miniskirt on your head? ;_; it doesn't look remotely like bunny ears at all!

[Cynric]

I see nothing wrong with gender lock gear. for all human history of fashion they been gender lock gear you don't see a man go in to female clothing shop demand for change do you. I am firm believe fantasy are basic off reality at some parts or another

I hate to break your reality and turn it into something seemingly fantasy but...

In the real world.. Men and women, can both wear skirts and pants.

In Eorzea Men can't wear skirts because a magical godly force prevents them from putting it on.

Guess which one is reality and which one is fantasy? I didn't mean to blow your mind but it's okay. You'll recover someday.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Well if this thread has taught me anything it's that people are way more crazy about glamour a then I thought. Sheesh. And that gender equality debates can't ever be escaped even in an online fantasy escape.

Then you are gonna LOVE the debates people have over the Sundrop Dance!

[Niwashi]

gender equality debates can't ever be escaped even in an online fantasy escape.

Sure they can. We never had any gender equality debates while the game actually had gender equality. They didn't start until the game broke its gender equality and started giving half its players more stuff than the other half. As long as that continues, debates about it will continue. Once they fix the problem and go back to the equality the game had on release, then we can stop complaining about it.

[RyuRoots]

Sure they can. We never had any gender equality debates while the game actually had gender equality. They didn't start until the game broke its gender equality and started giving half its players more stuff than the other half. As long as that continues, debates about it will continue. Once they fix the problem and go back to the equality the game had on release, then we can stop complaining about it.

Except there IS no problem. If you don't like the way gear is handled then fine, that's your right. The way people treat it as a "problem" that needs "fixing" though makes everyone on that side sound incredibly whiny and self-entitled. This isn't real life, where the issue isn't literal ability to wear clothes but rather issues of acceptance, ignorance, and a whole string of very serious things. No, this is a case where some players are upset that they can't wear the outfits they were eyeing. Using "gender equality" for such a trivial thing? Come off it. Again, if you're not happy about the outfit split and you want to get word to SE that you want it to be changed? That's fine, that I have no problem with. But the *attitude* on display is utterly absurd. Again, SE owes you *nothing*. For the record, my position on the matter is that I think all clothing/gear should fit all characters full stop.

[Niwashi]

But the *attitude* on display is utterly absurd.

The only people with absurd attitudes are the ones telling others to stop discussing the game and the gear it provides. This forum exists for discussing the game, and there are currently some real issues in the game with gear availability. These discussions are as important as any other forum-relevant discussions, and as long as the issue persists there's no reason for anyone to shut up about it.

The only basis for considering it unimportant is that it's just a game, but everything in these forums is about a game. It's a game forum. If discussing a game is too trivial for anyone, then they shouldn't be here in the first place.


(Now if people actually had opposing views, that would also be fine to discuss. But for the most part we aren't seeing opposing views. The opposition we've seen the most is just saying "Don't discuss the matter". That's what's absurd.)

[Welsper59]

And if you enjoy the game deeply and just want to communicate your suggestions to a receptive set of community reps while disproving false accusations and bad advice about fantasias? If everyone who had ever had a problem with a feature of the game simply left, the forum would be empty and the game would be struggling.

To be honest, these threads would fall off the first page much more quickly if people didn't keep pouring fuel on them by accusing the guys who want access to the missing glamours of various strange opinions and suggesting they leave just because they're expressing their wishes on the official forum explicitly provided for fan discussion and feedback. If we didn't love the game, we wouldn't care in the first place.

You know, you really should read the context of that quote along with who I'm replying to and what was being said, instead of attempting to warp it into something it's not to prove a point irrelevant to what's being stated. You people need to stop seeing posts that go against what you're trying to say as a reason to immediately shut your brain off. Otherwise, people who do think (at least) from time to time tend to notice it and point it out. The person I replied to was stating that SE owes us whatever it is we want of (see "entitled to" and "total control of") this game because we pay a subscription fee. I really shouldn't have to say it, but you do not control the game. You have rights to say things, but to feel entitled to control of is stupid and 100% incorrect, even on a personal level. They don't owe you anything at all because they deliver exactly what you pay for. To expect more than that is outside of the grounds of what they "owe" you. Mind you, it also doesn't mean they owe you a game you need to enjoy in every single possible way, you just get the product they chose to make, bottomline. I kind of clarify that in the following sentence after what you quoted of me, but again... that'd require the brain to not be immediately shut off the very moment they notice something does not agree with them, even if that's only within context.

You people need to think about what it means to suggest and what it means to demand. Sugarcoating a demand by calling it a "suggestion" is no different than any IRL situation of the same. If you request vacation from a strict superior and he/she tells you "You can, but I suggest you come in that day", do you honestly think that's not an order or demand? An actual suggestion is one based on no truly ill feelings whether or not they actual do it. Of course, that's also subjective as well. I, for example, look at my own agreement on the matter as a suggestion. When I see you people do it though, it's more of a demand on the matter, simply because there's no reasoning with you and many others on the topic. Again, NO REASONING with you folks. That's a rather large flag for the dividing line between suggestions and demands. If they chose to do it this way under the impressions of creative freedoms, which is the default reason why something is done the way it is unless otherwise stated, who are you to really take that away from them? Regardless of any personal wants. You might think you aren't doing that, but the fact that it's a subject that you (generally speaking) can't accept and continue to press relentlessly, does eventually warp into an almost threatening position to creators.

It's fine to ask for change. It truly is. But don't disguise it as a "suggestion" when it's something that obviously bothers you to no ends and affects your own enjoyment of the game greatly. Some of us take words literally and see through the veil. What you want is coming from a personal demand, but shared by many. These threads become very hostile because people are so passive aggressive about what they're really saying, just to appear like the underdog. Believe it or not, many of us are okay with the idea of males getting more access to feminine gear, even if many male character users may not use them. We just don't see petty reasons like number differences as something to be so upset or disappointed about it. Now, substantial differences like the Minfillia outfit, Thav set, or MGP stuff, sure... can definitely understand that and can be something people demand change for. But something practically of no meaning other than uneven numbers (like the gloves) to rage about is absolutely petty. People like the OP are a large reason why others get tired of this topic. You don't have to protest about every little thing if it truly is a "suggestion", as you claim it to be.

Just to clarify, because I know it will be twisted to imply otherwise, my saying "you people" is referring to folks who do not understand the things they say or the arguments they're involving themselves with. This goes for people of any side.