Say what???? (something i've never seen)

[Dyvid]

I know what Kilta is say and I agree. We've beaten some of these subjects, like jumping, to death. There isn't much more that needs to be said because even Yoshi-P responded say he understands all sides of the debate. Let's move forward and think up some other crazy, off the wall, ideas. What would you like to see added to make this game more immersive to you?

[Benediction]

Ok so something has come into play that makes me do "say what".

This is REALISM in a final FANTASY game.

people are complaing about anything that is not realistic. Like the possible spam jumping, swimming, monster sizes etc.

Sorry but you realism guys need to look up the world fantasy. It wasn't meant to be realistic.
why people shouldn't talk about realistic things.
1 cat girls... sorry but HELLO when you see a female cat humanoid walking down the street let me know. Other then that this is a fabled japanese race. (cat girls are big in anime or the other other anime.....)

2 our character do not age or have children

3 12 hours days. 6 hours of day 6 hours of night,

4 Everyone runs around everywhere with out eating.

5 we never die, we just get Ko'ed.

Please stop wanting realism in a japanese fantasy rpg. There are plenty of realistic rpg. Two worlds 2 has (minus undead and orcs) has realitic backdrops and creatures. I'm kind of annoyed that ppl shoot down ideas because it isn't realistic. (continued)

Like I said in another thread: people whom are so immersed in a game are not immersed in real life... so they forget what is real and what isn't.

They all live in their fantasy world where they don't age, take a crap or have any of the real life biological needs that their character seem to be lacking.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Arm not the topic to spread venmon. I'm just making silly points so we can work more as a community in improving the game instead of fighting amongst each other due to pointless debates. Take your venom back to w/e crap fansite your from. It isn't welcomed.

Twisting what I said to have this venmon is pretty childish.

Jumping adds immersion to the game. And it is hard to suggest this due to the realism crowd who mis use the word for immersion.

There is a difference between fantasy and stupidity. Adding for sake of is stupid. Giant toads are infact part of ff lore. Like giant turtles. Genbu is dipicted as a massive turtle.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Ben I think you misunderstood my post. I'm trying to be silly with my points, but my point is that we are fighting over silly concepts like realism and immersion (which ppl confusing realism with immersion) and can't get a good topic brain storm in. It gets ruined by I hate it fir sake of hating it.
I hate it cuz its in WoW
i hate it cuz it breaks my "immersion"

Pointless debates don't make for a good community or help the game.
These forums are suppose to help the game and for us to build a community. So far we are having a civil war over realism over dead horse topics. And completely off track to what the point of these forums are for.

[Laughlyn]

im not really much against Huge mobs, im rather impressed on how such a huge fat toad can actually move so well with no lagspikes going off all the time, and well its a "OMFG" moment the first time you see the darn thing. (funny as hell)

And well we do need some funny stuff just to have a reason to say: /s lol Wtf was that?

But like i said it did seem unnatural in its current enviorment.

I can understand why they made the rats / puks and rest of bugs bigger, they kinda hard to spot when they're in the tall grass / bushes.
But i think some creatures are well somewhat oversized / pumped up on steroids.

For example, the gnats... they now Hoover in slooooow-motiooooon, like they on some bad crack.
Looks funny but not very evil, and thats well an understatement since those gnat can
pack one hell of a punch if you're in direct line of fire.

The idea of underwater content is a fantasic idea, it somewhat brings back memories from some of the older FF games. (cant remember wich, think it was FFIV...possibly FFVI, serpent trench or somthing)
Back then that was one of the coolest things ever.

And jumping.... well if it serves a general adveturing purpose such as get to higher / lower ground, get through/over obstacles etc. (Sliding down a hill should work aswell), still at this point with so much debate about jump or not, idc.

I prolly wont waste my time spamming jump, i have better things to do if playing an mmo.

Even more so if one day i have to pay a montly fee, and if that was the case right now,
who the hell would want Jump over content if you were forced to pay a monthly fee?
But atm thats not the case, game is still free to play but for how long?

- my bad for any typos i missed.

[Benediction]

lol most people here don't even know what a discussion is. They seem to think that debating over an internet forum will change anything. REAL discussions will... not pointless debates where people try to dominate the conversation and force their opinions on people without acknowledging or conceding to some actual good ideas. Nope... they just gotta have it their way.

[Aramil]

Arm not the topic to spread venmon. I'm just making silly points so we can work more as a community in improving the game instead of fighting amongst each other due to pointless debates. Take your venom back to w/e crap fansite your from. It isn't welcomed.

Twisting what I said to have this venmon is pretty childish.

Jumping adds immersion to the game. And it is hard to suggest this due to the realism crowd who mis use the word for immersion.

There is a difference between fantasy and stupidity. Adding for sake of is stupid. Giant toads are infact part of ff lore. Like giant turtles. Genbu is dipicted as a massive turtle.

You presented and argument and I just presented a counter-argument. I didn't try to do it in a disrespectful way and I don't think I've been impolite. I'm not trying to troll or anything just to present my opinions.

It's true that immersion and realism get misused often. However what is immersion and isn't is not the same for everyone. Same thing for what you call the difference between fantasy and stupid. I know that the stuff i post were really extreme examples however what could seem alright for someone will seem downright stupid for someone else.

That's why the jumping debate among other will never end. It's not a debate of facts or what is better but simply one of opinions.

As a matter of fact, i don't have a strong opinion about jump. Ideally i'd like either no jump or a jump with a few limitation like can't move as fast while jumping but I can live with whatever they'll add in the end.

What I was disagreeing with was this part of your post: "Please stop wanting realism in a japanese fantasy rpg. "
I might have do it in a bad way but I just wanted to say that realism and fantasy aren't incompatible and that wanting realism isn't a bad thing. Like for jumping it's just a matter of opinions.

[Veronica]

1 cat girls... sorry but HELLO when you see a female cat humanoid walking down the street let me know.

You mean a man dressed up as a female cat girl?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

You mean a man dressed up as a female cat girl?

funny story.. I seen an "anime" about a loli looking twin brother who his twin sister dressed him in a loligirl cat suite

(he looked cute in it actually since he looked girly)

Not all mithra/Miqo'te are men.
I was a mithra in ffxi and I'm a woman. I have a pic up on ffxiplayers.com if site still is around look up soulus/ravenia/kilta/tensia

anyway Arm ok I get ya, but here is the thing. I'm making a silly point the real point in my post is at the very end. We are too busy debating each other over stupid stuff that no one is brain storming ideas to fix the game, or trying to build a good community.

My topic starter was more to break the ice while trying to be funny.

[Aramil]

You're right, debating isn't bad but we should spend more time making suggestion or constructive criticism and building up a good community than debating.

I'll keep that in mind