Thread: [SPOILERS] Minfillia' Fate in 3.2

Originally Posted by Synrin

Unless we somehow make Hydaelyn stronger, the crystal will absorb more lives to keep herself alive, I'd wager.

Or we can go with Nebralius' plan and just send everything back to oblivion by destroying Hydaelyn and Zodiark both. (Still not sure how this would effect The Void if his plan worked.)

I don't deny the theories that the mothercrystal may not be a good or benevolent being, but seeing how the theme of crystals and crystals being "good" in past Final Fantasy games, the odds of the mothercrystal being bad is very slim.

Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

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The west does have the idea of the noble death or noble sacrifice. It turns up plenty. Its certainly seen as a tragedy but at the same time its often seen as heroic. One dies so many may live. While this might not seem to apply in this case, I think its supposed to since Minfilia's motivation was the wellbeing of her friends and the people of Eorzea she dedicated her life to protecting. This is of course assuming she is actually dead and/or unrecoverable. Regardless the Scions are clearly not cool with the outcome even if they are accepting it. I'd also point out that G'hara is eventually recoverable under the right circumstances, circumstances NOAH dedicates itself to achieving at the end of the CT story. He is sleeping, not dead.

I think part of the issue here is are lack of understanding of what Hydaelyn is. The game introduced her as 'All made One', a manifestation and source of life on the planet itself. Aether is Life and as she grows weaker the Aether levels in the world drop. If this is true, and if this is the basis most characters are operating from, Hydaelyn's death or destruction could literally mean death for the planet. This is the logic I've operated on.

Assuming that the ingame NPCs operate on the same logic, you can see why Minfilia might see sacrificing herself to keep Hydaelyn in the fight might in her mind translate into sacrificing her self for her friends. Its not a great outcome but the logic is there.

On Iceheart, I don't think she wanted to die. I think she wanted to fight with us. When she got there she saw how screwed we were, and we were really, really screwed. A Garlean capitol ship verse our little craft? Even if we had made landfall we would still have the Garlean military supported by more firepower than we had ever dealt with before from the Garleans pointed at us. Again, she sacrificed herself to protect her friends. I don't think she died on purpose. She just knew it as the most likely outcome.

Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I don't deny the theories that the mothercrystal may not be a good or benevolent being, but seeing how the theme of crystals and crystals being "good" in past Final Fantasy games, the odds of the mothercrystal being bad is very slim.

Being "Not Bad" isn't the same as being "Good". She can have a " Divine Plane" where it all works out in the end, but that won't stop her from sacrificing her "Children" for "The Greater Good" which is all fine and good till you or someone you care about is the next offering.

Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Being "Not Bad" isn't the same as being "Good". She can have a " Divine Plane" where it all works out in the end, but that won't stop her from sacrificing her "Children" for "The Greater Good" which is all fine and good till you or someone you care about is the next offering.

I don't think she is purposely sacrificing her children. Its not like she was simply wearing Minfilia as a meat suit. The Word seemed to be as much Minfilia as it was Hydaelyn. Its also worth noting Minfilia volunteered for it. The Journal actually refers to it as her choice. Interestingly it also raises the question in the Journal on why she went to such extremes to pass on that message.

Originally Posted by Belhi

The Word seemed to be as much Minfilia as it was Hydaelyn.

That was the impression I got as well.

She does speak as if they came together as a sort of joining, rather than Hydaelyn consuming Minfilia and the latter being lost to the former.

Of course that raises additional questions if true - possible that the combined version is essentially a new entity of sorts? And what would that mean for us?

Originally Posted by Berethos

That was the impression I got as well.

She does speak as if they came together as a sort of joining, rather than Hydaelyn consuming Minfilia and the latter being lost to the former.

Of course that raises additional questions if true - possible that the combined version is essentially a new entity of sorts? And what would that mean for us?

The echo makes things funny. We really have barely touched on it but by far the Echo makes us more 'unnatural' than anything else, including the Blessing of Light. Theoretically we could do the same thing the Ascians do and possess other people if our body died.

Since the end of 2.0 there has been a really strong sense that we are the last play Hydaelyn has. She knows she is on the point of losing. I think everything she has done since we stepped on the field, and perhaps even before that, has been preparing for her diminishing. Midgardsormr's test would make a lot more sense if the whole point of it was for us to be able to grow strong enough to use the blessing without needing Hydaelyn. After all, as the Ascians said, Hydaelyn has sacrificed a great deal of her strength protecting us.

It occurred to me that in a way what Hydaelyn might be doing with Minfilia is effectively passing off part of her existence into another vessel. I feel there has to be more than just needing a mouth piece for one message. Why create the Word if that was all that was needed? Surely Minfilia could have carried the truth to us without needing to be bound to Hydaelyn. One possibility is in Minfilia she is creating a sort of 'heir'. If she is growing so weak that she cant sustain herself, perhaps by turning Minfilia into a kind of avatar of the light sustains a sentience for the Light that Hydaelyn represents.

Long term I suspect our end goal will be restablishing some kind of balance. How that would work however is anyone's guess.