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    My take is that Hydaelyn has become so weak she cant even communicate without a mouthpiece. The Word of the Mother says right at the end "the crystal's power is all but spent". Hydaelyn is on her last legs and effectively out of the fight at this point. Still it seems rather a waste for her to expend Word/Minfilia just to pass that message.

    That said, I am not sure I believe Word/Minfilia is infact dead. Between the echo and the fact she is tied to Hydaelyn now I suspect the loss of her physical form doesn't mean its lights out for her. After all we didn't see the Crystal dissipate. Interesting too that The Word didn't simply seem to be a possessed Minfilia but rather an amalgam of Minfilia and Hydaelyn. She seemed to switch between perspectives without knowing it, at one moment talking like she identified herself as Minfilia and at others as if it was Hydaelyn, without any apparent change on her part. Perhaps that means Hydaelyn cant even maintain sentience any more without a host soul.

    Regardless, I doubt Minfilia's change is reversible wether she survives or not. That said with Alphinaud's final resolution (the kid scored major points with me for that) I think if there is a shadow of a chance to recover her we probably will try.

    The other interesting dynamic at the moment is that the Scions are effectively leaderless. They are coordinating with each other but they are acting quite independent. I wonder if we will see any of them step up to take a leadership role. While in the current situation the current dynamic works and frankly I suspect the Archons still have some things to work out for themselves, eventually to work effectively as an organisation in any large scale someone is going to have to take the lead again and Alphinaud still feels to green to me to fit the role.
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    I think I'm more inclined to take the remnenta of The Omega Weapon and Summon a Primal into it to restore it.

    Then take the Omega Primal and Blow Up Zodiark (along with the Moon if need be) all the while sapping the last of Hydaelyn's power and being rid of them both.

    Like Caius Ballad in FF13-2 I'm getting a little sick of God's and Goddesses playing with mortals like toys then throwing us away when they are finished with us.

    To that end, I would summon Bahamut Sin, The Omega Primal, and bring in an age without Gods be they primal, crystal, or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    I think I'm more inclined to take the remnenta of The Omega Weapon and Summon a Primal into it to restore it.

    Then take the Omega Primal and Blow Up Zodiark (along with the Moon if need be) all the while sapping the last of Hydaelyn's power and being rid of them both.

    Like Caius Ballad in FF13-2 I'm getting a little sick of God's and Goddesses playing with mortals like toys then throwing us away when they are finished with us.

    To that end, I would summon Bahamut Sin, The Omega Primal, and bring in an age without Gods be they primal, crystal, or otherwise.
    Isn't the planet itself tied to/connected to Hydaelyn.

    I mean, do what you feel ya gotta do, but I figure generally ushering in an age of something requires a place to usher that age in to.
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    They spoke of a Source. Perhaps that is what we are to seek in order for Hydalean to regain her strength?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamuKun322 View Post
    They spoke of a Source. Perhaps that is what we are to seek in order for Hydalean to regain her strength?
    Possible, but that doesn't sound too good. And it might tie in the Ascien's believe that she's not too good. She used The Source (of all Aether?)to banish and split the planes of existence ... maybe

    Could The Source be something greater than Hydaelyn and Zodiark, maybe even their creator?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    Isn't the planet itself tied to/connected to Hydaelyn.

    I mean, do what you feel ya gotta do, but I figure generally ushering in an age of something requires a place to usher that age in to.
    <Shrugs> I seem to recall Hydaelyn being linked to the planet's Aether. No where do I recall her being nessisarry for the planet it's self to exist.

    But things as far as "current existence" wouldn't be any more screwed than if Zodiark wins so all I'd really be doing is assuring the Ascians loose too.

    And if Hydaelyn and Zodiark really are connected as implyed by The Voice, destroying one destroys the other anyway.

    To me it seems more like they want to assimilate each other's Aether without the other's consciousness being involved. For all we know there was a being that predatet both that was destroyed when they seperated. I will however, grant Elidibus time to show his hand as it seems he knows something we don't. Something Uriange has one more patch to fess up about before I beat the answers out of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    <Shrugs> I seem to recall Hydaelyn being linked to the planet's Aether. No where do I recall her being nessisarry for the planet it's self to exist.
    Just like the life stream from FF7 and other FF series, usually they mention that when Planet energy run out, then the Planet die, and no life can born. So I would think that Aether is the same case here. Without it, then the planet would die. You probably need to keep the moon so that you can live there in your new era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alise View Post
    Just like the life stream from FF7 and other FF series, usually they mention that when Planet energy run out, then the Planet die, and no life can born. So I would think that Aether is the same case here. Without it, then the planet would die. You probably need to keep the moon so that you can live there in your new era.
    Hmmm, I need to know one thing before commiting to effectivly obliterating FF14's plane of The Great Multiverse, is Hydaelyn producing the lifestreem of simply sustained by it?

    Because if she's simply sustained by it rather than the reason it exists, it's possible she actually has nothing to do with the planet's survival.

    The main question comes back to weather she's a TRUE Goddess or simply an exceptionally powerful being that is considered one. By definition a True God/Goddess shouldn't actually be killable to begin with. But Eorzea in particular seems to have a bad habit of giving "Godship" to mortal (read killable) beings of exceptional power. like Primals, Eikons, and The Elementals for specific examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alisa180 View Post
    The implication is that Hydaelyn is currently so weak that even communicating directly with us is a strain on her resources. Remember, it was something of a plot point that neither us nor Minfilia had heard Hydaelyn's voice since the Ultima Weapon's defeat. Presumably, communicating through Minfilia helps conserve the Mothercrystal's dwindling energy.
    This is true, but remember that she did not communicate with us except briefly after our Blessing was restored. It wasn't until we managed to worm our way to the Aetherial Sea (or rather, we got close enough that she could pull us in) that Hydaelyn was able to speak to us again through Minfilia. She still can't communicate with us directly, and projecting Minfilia's image has to be a further strain on her resources.

    Why did Hydaelyn direct Minfilia back into Flow when she was in no danger?

    Why was Minfilia stranded in the Aetherial Sea, when both Thancred and Y'shtola were able to be retrieved (even if we needed a little help with the latter)?

    Why is Hydaelyn wastefully projecting Minfilia's image to communicate with us, on her home turf, instead of just doing so directly?

    It doesn't add up...

    Listen, I get that you've thought all this through with everybody's best interest in mind. But why doesn't this world have a place for Minfilia? Every argument in support of this easily boils down to "If it saves the world, then it's okay Minfilia had to die (or at least be put out of commission for the foreseeable future)." What the hell is that? I don't want to hear that again.

    The future is not something we just choose. It's not a binary choice between following Hydaelyn's will or letting the Ascians run rampant. The future is something we create, and it should have more possibilities than that. So why not create the future that we want?
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    You can't just look in black and white, guys. She might have given herself willingly, but now feels as if it was too much. I don't believe anyone can be THAT devoted, as to give themselves up to this entity whose real nature is still not clear to us. Minfilila wanted to help, and is helping Hydaelyn, but how much of the 'Minfilia' she kept is really hard to say. I got the impression she was quite full of sorrow, but we can only guess how Minfilia feels, if she still really is Minfilia. If she gave herself up to the crystal, and if her life force was absorbed in order to give Hydaelyn her voice back, Minfilia is no more. Unless we somehow make Hydaelyn stronger, the crystal will absorb more lives to keep herself alive, I'd wager.
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