Stone, Sky, Sea and Me – What does this mean for tanks?

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

So, after a long day of MSQ, creepy dolls, fighting Goro…err Sephirot, visiting the beauty of Midas (wow SE, just wow), I finally met up with the once again employed Goodly Adventurer and played around in Stone, Sky, Sea. After kicking some rocks around as a Monk, I decided to fiddle with my DRK. Now, by “Small Talking” with the Goodly Adventurer, he will tell you that the instance adjusts for the class you queue up as, so I figured it would give me a good measurement for any class that I bring in.

So I decided to DRK it, and to be honest, after clearing the normal content and realizing that stance dancing right now is the exception I thought it would be more “realistic” to hit it with Grit on. Of course, the damage was not near close enough, and it got me thinking about other potential flaws in the design. I stepped into the same fight, this time with no Grit, and had no difficulty killing SephirotEx. So I upped my challenge and went to M1s. No Food, No Pots, just went in dry (DRK 209 – still VA pants – full VIT, 210 ESO weapon) and the closest I pushed was 4%. Of course SE has said that they rely less on tank damage, but I couldn’t help but be slightly disappointed about this. Then my MCH said, well it will be worse for PLD’s as they still have the least amount of damage of all tanks, and neither DRK or PLD can give themselves the slashing bonus.

Does Stone, Sky, Sea:
- factor tank damage as what specific tank job you are? ( I doubt this is the case – this wouldn’t make much sense)
- factor that you will have a party buff, adjusting your dps output in the actual fight?
- As tank damage isn’t “factored in” by SE, does SSS measure what I personally need to do, or is it measuring based on something else?

I understand that SSS can’t factor in other variables such as the slashing buff, and things like trick attack/battle litany/ etc, etc as they are all based on party comp, but I feel fairly certain that a simple party buff would have changed the outcome, probably a food buff too (but meh). I ask for clarification/theory crafting as the MT run I did left a lot to be desired.

Full disclosure:

The issue could also lie within me, but I am no slouch when it comes to tanking, and after seeing a few of the early screen shots on M1s clears (that had these weird numbers that I know not where they came from), I feel fairly confident that something may be off as far as SSS is concerned.

[Gameplayzero]

i'm rather curious about this as well. I thought about this earlier, but I can't test it.


edit: someone posted this on reddit in regards to the health and dps required for each job

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pli=1&sle=true


DUDE HOW DO THE HEALERS DUMMIES HAVE A HIGHER REQUIREMENT THAN TANKS?!

[Astrelle_hyperion]

I posted over in the DPS thread, but...

I cleared the Thordan ex version on PLD with :18 remaining. No food, no pots, first the combos in ShO, before I realized it's only caring about DPS.

Don't recall if I were i207 or i210 at time. So obviously PLD can clear it, so probably a different target number. Looking at the DPS thread they posted what appears to be the target for each dps and it's variable.

But I think as a tank check it's a huge disservice to be decoupled from emnity. Tanks will do the whole thing in DPS stance pass SSS and think that's what they should do in the fight. I'd be curious to try ThorEx SSS again, with food and pots, at i210 in tank stance. If it's not possible that's a problem, IMO.

[Astrelle_hyperion]

My guess right now is it measures what you need to bring as OT, not MT.

[Syzygian]

According to that chart, with a slashing debuff, DRK would exceed the WAR requirement by about 2.5%, with PLD catching up to just about the same amount under WAR.

The better question is are NINs able to clear theirs with DE rotations? If so we could see world prog clears with PLD/DRK.

[SpookyGhost]

Just wanted to post this here rq:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-2CTXbZeI

Pretty sure this is A8S dummy.

[Cabalabob]

I don't think this is a problem really, SSS is just a gear and skill check, it's not meant to teach you your job and I think that's the way it was designed.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

Just wanted to post this here rq:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-2CTXbZeI

Pretty sure this is A8S dummy.

all that 220 pentameld left and right side.....

I wasn't really referring to what could be done once gear is obtained for later stages of Midas, I really was only looking at M1s at this time, with today's gear.

@Cabalabob -
You misunderstand my question, or perhaps I needed to be more detailed. No, SSS isn't for teaching you your job, yes I understand that this is a gear check/skill check. My question is based on what parameters SE decided to factor in (or not) to determine whether or not you had the damage for a fight. People were clearing Faust in the early days by using pots and food, last week, you needed neither of those to clear Faust.

If you have ever looked at your numbers when you are by yourself vs. when you are in a party, there is an obvious difference, and that difference can mean the difference between a clear and a wipe, in the early stages of a raid cycle.

Sure SE could have considered this, I don't have faith that they did. I have heard the phrase "working as intended" more than I care to recall. We have heard them say personal housing will be coming soon, and it will be cheaper than FC houses. Pray forgive my lack of blind faith that SE didn't overlook something with this. Numbers are simply numbers, without the proper context. I am asking for this specific context.

[SpookyGhost]

all that 220 pentameld left and right side.....

I wasn't really referring to what could be done once gear is obtained for later stages of Midas,

Ah, sorry, wasn't really posting it in relation to what you said - just wanted to share since this was the only SSS related topic I saw. Didn't want to create a whole new topic just to share it. : - P

[Rawrz]

So far it's been a little too easy for healer dps on sch. It's just not realistic. I get that this wasnt made with healers in mind, but next time they should give us 3 striking dummies that are being attacked by the striking dummy we fight (think visible charge bars and aoes). The 3 dummies should be added to our party when we enter. :3 that I would like to see.