Thread: Jumping and swimming 2.0

Originally Posted by Isaveron

Do you ever stop complaining about World of Warcraft? Also, I have yet to see one legitimate reason as to why jumping shouldn't be implemented. I see a lot of "I don't personally like it", and a few "it's pointless!", but nothing suggesting from a game design point of view why it's a bad idea.

First let's start by the forums are here so we view our points if there no point in jump then i don't want it if it only a one thing deal that you use to jump to point A to point B and can't use it again too other part of the game use it then i'm fine with it. I can say the same thing about suggesting why is a good idea to add jump? from a game design point of view it's a good idea? If there no point in it to use within a areas of the game then there no point of adding it.

I can care less if they add it but if really not use for anything or only a few areas then it should be limit to only used within that area.

Originally Posted by Isaveron

Do you ever stop complaining about World of Warcraft? Also, I have yet to see one legitimate reason as to why jumping shouldn't be implemented. I see a lot of "I don't personally like it", and a few "it's pointless!", but nothing suggesting from a game design point of view why it's a bad idea.

Thank you for your support on jumping!
I, too, noticed that of the people against jumping. Their main argument is to simply restrain others from jumping because they find it silly! My answer to this: keep your shackles for yourself.

Yoshi-P already said that MMOs are like theme parks and need to have many different things to appeal to a wide variety of people. I believe jumping is one them. Not everyone will do everything in a theme park, you simply ignore what you dislike and go do what you like.

Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

That said I think it requires a different kind of effort to name your character as something silly or wear clown clothes than do stupid things when you're bored.

Exactly, that's why I believe we won't see many kangaroos. You just said it yourself, it's normal players being bored. They might jump a few times while going for something else more interesting to do, but in the end, it will be a rare occurrence. Just like people dressing as rainbow clowns right now, some of them put effort into looking silly while others are simply using functional clothes to craft/gather something for a few minutes. Unlike silly player names like xXxLolSephirothXxX, for example, which are permanent, jumping and dressing as a clown are behaviours that can change anytime. This is why I believe we don't need shackles. As much as every player should have access to a wide range of different clothes and different colours, players should be allowed to jump and swim to their liking.

Originally Posted by Zenaku

I can care less if they add it but if really not use for anything or only a few areas then it should be limit to only used within that area.

It was mentioned numerous times in previous jumping debate threads: jumping will add another dimension to the gameplay. Dungeons will be able to have hidden spots only reachable through carefully planned jumps, players will be able to knock off opponents in pits or fall of a cliff themselves if they are not careful (more positioning strategy!), bypass obstacles easily (which is much better than having immaterial fences we can pass through, like we currently have at some places), and many other original content. THAT is why I want to see jumping added in FFXIV 2.0 along with maps that support jumping and have things hidden out of reach of grounded players.

If you dislike jumping, just don't jump when it comes out. But we, jumping enthusiasts, will gladly enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Sephrick

If raids and bosses are created with jumping and swimming in mind as tactics then it's absolutely fine. But first they need to fix the server issues. If the game doesn't know that I moved off Ifrit's Eruption area, it certainly won't know I properly timed a jump.

They are fixing that in version 2.0 (or sooner) according to Yoshi-P.
That's also why they need to design the maps and other features to support jumping as well, right now for 2.0.

Originally Posted by Ramsey

Jump need only have a negative impact on your movement speed to please everyone. If there's a take off and landing time built into the animation, not only will it look better, it will slow you down compared to just running, and thus prevent players from using jump outside of horsing around and actually needing to scale something/clear something.

I agree to that too. Even just a short slow down would be sufficient to discourage the show off kangaroos (the minority of players) because they would fall behind their team mates or be avoided easily by other players (can't chase someone to annoy him if you are falling behind). Then again, it would be a minority of players, I believe we shouldn't base our whole decision on jumping because of them.

Oh yay, another jumping thread for me to post in.

Once again (What is this, the 11th thread now?), I'll vote no for free-jumping and froggie-hoppers ruining immersion.
The moment I see everyone hopping to every destination is the moment I no longer take this game seriously and lose the will to log on. I would LOVE to see a jump like in Zelda though, where once you get to the egde of something you automatically jump down. OR FF13, where you jump when it's NEEDED. Otherwise it's a useless annoyance.

And I really don't want it to ruin PvP for me. I'm really really looking forward to PvP.. Not BunnyvBunny.

I fully support this effort and wish for this thread to be as epic as ever. Let's not forget climbing either!

Edit: Here is my thread on why I think climbing should be considered as much as jumping and swimming.