3 Star Leatherworking requires THREE other specilzations

[Hermaeus_mora1]

But it's still worse than all the specialist requirements. It takes 3 camphor for 1 Eikon Leather.

True. I hate those, but were it an spec only, with the mats required and the non-possibility of quick synth, it would be expensive as hell

[Astrelle_hyperion]

I think the camphor is easier... Easy to gather easy to HQ. Better than lumythrite ore, which I get 2-3 HQ per gather window.

[StouterTaru]

I think the camphor is easier... Easy to gather easy to HQ. Better than lumythrite ore, which I get 2-3 HQ per gather window.

It's not the difficulty, it's the time required. Spend an hour gathering and crafting, for just enough camphor to make three 3-star pieces.

Eikon Cloth - Eso items, 3.2 unspoiled node, regular node
Eikon Mythril - Eso items, 3.2 unspoiled node, regular node hidden item
Eikon Iron - Eso items, 3.2 unspoiled node, regular node
Eikon Lumber - Eso item, 3.2 unspoiled node, GC seal item
Eikon Leather - Eso items, 3.0 folklore node, regular node and three 2-star synths

It's the new pterodactyl leather.

[PirateCat]

Dealing with camphor is a lot faster if you don't try to HQ it. This adds a bit of risk, but with the right rotation it's very possible to HQ the leather from 0 starting quality a reasonable amount of the time and you get a lot of other opportunities to put starting quality into the finished products. I wound up making a macro to make these without bothering with quality (SH, PbPx3, CSIIx4).

[Sollux]

To expand upon that, the point was not to require dependence upon other classes, either.

One could even go so far as to say the point was to require a lack of dependence upon other classes. Of course, it failed at that.

Yes and no. Technically, a single class Crafter's ability to HQ their Endgame items increases significantly as a Specialist, however the skills are MUCH too RNG dependent and their actual abilities obscure and not well explained, which leaves a casual Crafter 2 options:

1. Get as many HQ base mats as they can and risk massive amounts of RNG to hopefully still HQ the item or

2. Research the skills, when they're best used, and find an optimal rotation using them.

Personally, I don't think there's a problem with a little more RNG for non-cross-class skills like the Specialist skills, but even I know that the inconsistency of almost every single Specialist skill makes them undesirable to use unless you have a thorough knowledge of the skills and their uses, something I wouldn't ever expect a casual Crafter to know or have to research.

[Sollux]

Dealing with camphor is a lot faster if you don't try to HQ it. This adds a bit of risk, but with the right rotation it's very possible to HQ the leather from 0 starting quality a reasonable amount of the time and you get a lot of other opportunities to put starting quality into the finished products. I wound up making a macro to make these without bothering with quality (SH, PbPx3, CSIIx4).

For future reference with 873 Control under food buff it takes 11 IQ stacks for me to 0-100 a 3* recipe as BB gives 6.2k Quality under GS+ING2 and 11 stacks. This allows a single HT failure in my rotation, more depending on how many PTs I can get.

This macro also works for 3* "Quick Synth": SH > PbP x2 > ING2 > Standard Synthesis x2 > CS2 x2

[Nekotee]

Camphor is annoying if you need HQ or your leatherworker slave need it HQ...
Otherwise

You can quickly make it NQ
Sollux rotation is good and either standard synthesis or 4 careful synthesis 2 x 4 work


Tried 9 NQ
Got one 1% HQ...
Pissed, proud and annoyed XD

....

By the way i'm still confused about ING2
Does it affect control and quality ?
I keep getting opposite feedback

[Roth_Trailfinder]

You can test that out yourself. Don't hit IQ yet when making one of those 3 star materials. Instead, SH2, Basic Touch, Ing2, Basic Touch, and see if there is a difference.

It should affect Progress, but last time I looked, it did not impact Quality. That was some time ago though; before 2.5.

[Nekotee]

Yeah last time I tried and check was a long time ago at the beginning of 3* 50

I do prefer rotation without ing2 SAFER and easier
But longer

Gonna try that tonight later today
On one of this awful camphor

[StouterTaru]

By the way i'm still confused about ING2
Does it affect control and quality ?
I keep getting opposite feedback

Well the answer is yes and no. If you're level 60 doing a 59 recipe, you will see no boost at all. If you're doing a level 60 3-star recipe, it will boost you about as much as Innovation. Dug this up from a while ago, some tests I did with 3 and 4 stars at level 50:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2613566

Ingenuity II gave a boost to 50 3-stars of ~13% and 4-stars ~7%. I haven't put down on paper the numbers for 60 recipes yet, but I'm guessing they'll be similar.