Thread: 3.2 patch is a slap in the face of (omni)crafters (specialist & stat garbage)

I'm a specialist by definition. I only have ARM and BSM to 60, and CRP is next at 51. Only a handful of the rest have even made it to 15 - between gathering mats for red scrips and progressing DoW, I haven't had the time or the Gil to pour into leveling up other jobs (yes, I know it's "cheap," but I find myself hovering at less than 500k Gil, which has a tendency to evaporate in time of need). Grinding out red scrip items is easy with the full blue scrip crafting set, but very time consuming.

Even with what melds I've accomplished, I cannot yet craft 1* items - both from being unable to afford the resources, and from not having high enough craftsmanship (even with food)--and heaven forbid I try to craft it high quality. I either need red scrip gear, or I need the skills from omnicrafting (and heaven forbid as well that I should try to gear more than one DoH with red scrips).

The Whistle system does not enable Specialists to function independent of the skills from other classes.

Locking crafting recipes to Specialists does not make Specialists worthwhile when they have no advantages to being able to craft the items. I haven't even looked at the latest master books, because I know I can't craft them.

Until Specialists are given a true advantage to crafting their recipes, until Specialists have a means to obtain materials that they themselves cannot create without having to spend Gil (maybe a blue scrip exchange?), and until Specialists can truly function in endgame without having to touch another DoH class, the Specialist system will never accomplish its stated goal of making it easier for players to craft in endgame.

Recipes should never be Specialist-only. If anything, Specialist recipes should only provide a bonus to crafters holding the appropriate Specialist stone (say, holding the BSM Specialist stone cuts the difficulty and quality caps by 10%-20% for BSM Specialist recipes).

Making recipes Specialist-only is not rewarding Specialists, when they cannot reliably craft those items without omnicrafting. It's just an arbitrary requirement that's attempting to shoehorn people into doing it, and then punishing them for putting the effort into leveling the other DoH classes, when the recipes themselves are designed to require that very activity for success.

I'm grateful that Chaimi does not represent the crafting community.

Many of us love how they are changing the crafting system.

Bring it on.

EDIT:
People can still be true omnicrafters if they put in the time. Therefore its the people who are unwilling to adapt to change who get penalized in the end.

Which tbh is an important life lesson we should all understand.

I would argue most of us do not enjoy the new systems and changes. Its been one failure after another. The majority of the crafters in my FC aren't happy. And the new systems have not garnered as many new crafters or gatherers as it has alienated. The specialist system as designed is a bad system. If it weren't we'd have a healthier economy, more people crafting, and less disgruntled talks like this one.

If people were really happy these conversations wouldn't be coming up about CORE systems. We'd be arguing about augmenting systems, missing features, etc.

Originally Posted by Chiami

A while ago I posted about my doubts regarding the upcoming crafted battle gear
(http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...32#post3557532)
and unfortunately my (back-then semi-sarcastic) hunch turned out true.

Twice as many blue scrips for the new books, so twice the grind to get them. By the same logic you would double the amount of tomes of lore needed for the new gear compared to esoterics. This is already bad. You don't scale the grind up and up for new stuff, you tone down the grind for old content, SE!

New master books aren't old content, also 725 blue scrips are not bad. It takes no time at all. I got two of them in just 30 minutes or so.

Then you get the books and find out (almost) ALL the recipes are specialist-only. Thanks for not telling us, so grinding for those books we have no specialization for is pointless. Woe to those who got the books without having the necessary specialization, what a total screw-up!

Actually, there are a few recipes in each that aren't specilization only. But I'm an avid supporter of the specialist system and I think it's great anyway. Also if the patch notes are any indication, they will be non-specialist in the future.

So the majority of the new recipes are useless for (omni)crafters, as we are limited to 3 specializations and thus useful books. Well done, SE, to make most of the new recipes out of reach for us crafters (/sarcasm).

They aren't out of reach. You just have to be social and seek help from others.

And then... the stats for the battle gear. 850/820 from what I read (did not get to grab the books yet, doubt I will bother). Dear devs, I don't know what you are taking but it is not enough or too much. I am so pissed off I cannot even express it.

So you're mad that you didn't future proof yourself? It should have been obvious that the stat requirements were going to be high when you found yourself 100+ stats above the 2 star minimum just by having the class-specific gear. Or did you not get any class specific gear? Cos that's your fault.

This is a slap in the face of EVERYONE (luckily not me) who went through the massive time/gil-sink of getting ilvl 180 gear, as it is impossible to reach the stats needed, even with food and melded ilvl 170 accessories (expensive!) and all. So you made the ilvl 180 gear totally pointless and obsolete for the future of this game and totally screwed a good chunk of the crafters over.

Um, this is not true at all, as my weaver is using all 180 gear except for a 170 melded chestpiece and I reached them EASILY with seafood stew. People who have the 180 gear actually can reach the caps with WAY less effort than people who have 170, since the 180 main hand and chest pieces are impossible to match without god-awful tier V materia. (I also have the accessories and offhand though, if you didn't get those that's again, your own fault.)
I've also seen someone who doesn't even have class-specific gear reach the minimum, they had some ridiculous melds though (but still no grade Vs haha)

And even those who had the MASSIVE time needed to churn out red tokens and make gil to get at least the pieces of ilvl 170 gear needed and mountains of materia? The melds needed are insane, all the more given there is no (real) tier V materia available. And that all the more as we would need to meld all the non-shared pieces, so even with restriction to 3 (specialized) classes that means 7 pieces x 3 = 21 pieces of gear to massively overmeld.

No, the melds are not insane. I just put 2 or 3 IVs and a III on each accessory really, with some offhand melding. I can share my melds with you if you want, it wasn't very hard.

The amount of crafters who have THAT much time/gil to throw around is small, and they will demand TRUCKLOADS of gil for the new gear, costs of mats aside.

You don't create a healthy market for battle gear this way.

You could as well have not bothered implementing the Eikon gear, with these stat requirements.

Then why have so many people made them successfully?

Thanks for increasingly ruining this game for crafters and others

Crafting isn't ruined, it's literally better than it's ever been. You just didn't do the work necessary to future-proof yourself.