Am I the only one who is playing this game on macbook (or Mac)?

[ArdentMogui]

Tell me why my standard ati. Mobile gpu is locked to bootcamp drivers. It is technically pc after all apple invented the PERSONAL COMPUTER

It IS a PC, the 2011 iMacs use Intel Sandy Bridge CPUs and ATI (Check This) MOBILE GPUs. That Mobile GPU is what's really hindering you with your performance. If they had made it a little bigger with a desktop GPU it would likely be much better.

Regardless, I will say it as much as needed, the hardware is all PC hardware. They stopped using proprietary PowerPC hardware many years ago.

I'm not telling you to buy anything to play this game. What you're using is honestly like my current laptop, but not quite. My Gaming laptop uses a Desktop CPU and Mobile GPUs, where your iMac also uses a Desktop CPU with a single Mobile GPU.

Again, ALL PC HARDWARE. That's why Windows is capable of running on it in the first place. Windows runs on x86/AMD64 hardware, Windows 8 supposedly allows it to run on ARM as well. Your Mac is PC hardware whether you like it or not.

[ispano]

Tell me why my standard ati. Mobile gpu is locked to bootcamp drivers. It is technically pc after all apple invented the PERSONAL COMPUTER

Nice job with the Spam. Because Apple likes to control things, they set it up so you have to use the drivers they provide. Many notebook manufacturers do this as well, mine is in fact one of them. Try to use stock nVidia Drivers for the 480Ms in my notebook and it won't install.

Also, like i'm able to do with my notebook, you can get inf modded drivers to install in Windows on a Bootcamp'd Mac.

[ispano]

You're trying to win at an argument using technicalities. But in reality, if you marched up to Apple's headquarters and asked them if there was a difference between a Mac and a PC they would tell you a long list of differences (mainly because they purposely set themselves apart and have marketed themselves this way). So technically, you are correct. But the rest of the world knows the difference between the two so stop trying. This exists for a reason.

Yet when you toss Windows on the machine to play games that only run under Windows, there's not a whole lot different from the machine compared to similarly built non Mac.

[Zaireeka2025]

Yet when you toss Windows on the machine to play games that only run under Windows, there's not a whole lot different from the machine compared to similarly built non Mac.

Wow... seriously you just floored me with that statement right there. You know what? You're completely right. What was I thinking calling them by different names. From now on I will always refer to both as PC's no matter how much confusion I stir up in future conversations. You are so awesome. Let's get married.

[ArdentMogui]

Why won't you get this through your thick skull nobody here is say Mac is better just don't fucking tell us you go through the same problems to configure your system to work with this game. You don't have a Mac so fuck off and let us talk amongst ourselves

[Zaireeka2025]

Why won't you get this through your thick skull nobody here is say Mac is better just don't fucking tell us you go through the same problems to configure your system to work with this game. You don't have a Mac so fuck off and let us talk amongst ourselves

You better quote somebody if you're going to tell them to fuck off.

[ArdentMogui]

My bad I'm attempting to post from a first Gen android phone. It is directed at the troll

[Zaireeka2025]

In having a discussion with my brother (Maconnoisseur) about the Mac debates that seem to permeate throughout the entirety of the Internets. I'm trying to get him to play with me via his MacBook. Here's what he had to say via GTalk just now (since he'd like to post but can't):

"What you should explain to the trolls is that there's a big difference between the similarities of hardware components between the two platforms; the software, operating system and hardware/software design and integration. Yes, both Macs and PCs use the same types of components, but the software that's run on these components do very different things and have very different personalities. Steve Jobs invented the first personal computer in the 80s with the Apple II before computers took up the space of whole rooms, and were only used by budding computer scientists and nerds.

Jobs was anti-IBM, basically, and the only fucking reason people even use a "personal computer" (PC) is because of Steve Jobs. This is exactly the kind of "techie" pundit that I loathe. They don't see the forest for the trees. They over-focus on spec sheets and components and how they're overpriced on the mac. It's NOT ABOUT THE COMPONENTS. The reason Macs are priced at a premium is because they work very well. Period.

A good engineer can put together a hardware bundle that works fluidly with its OS; a bad engineer can use the same components and make a lemon like dad's HP desktop. On paper, it rocked. but when he used it, it was shit. Why? Poor design. It was designed to fail.

The Mac has always been behind when it comes to gaming. And it isn't due to a shortage of powerful hardware ... but the lack of software clients and developer support. The hardware is there. But if iOS has proven anything, it's that gaming can be awesome on a Mac through Steam and the Mac App Store, end-users are slowly realizing that gaming on a Mac has a future. The more support they get from devs, the better.

Also, running Windows through Bootcamp is not the same as running Windows through a PC that's meant for Windows. I've tried Bootcamp, and whenever I use it, it overheats my Mac and strange bugs appear in OSX when I switch back. That's why I stopped running XP on it. I also tried Parallels, which sucked even more but the latter is virtualization, not the actual Windows OS.

Either way, the native experience is usually better. I hate it when techies compare their PC spec sheets with Mac spec sheets, calculate the math in lieu of the sum of each platform's components, and conclude that since the Mac is so much more expensive, that all Mac users are buying into a reality distortion field where they think they have a better computer, based on hype. Apple is doing well because their products "just work" 99.9% of the time whereas the PC market is fragmented and comprised of open-source zealots and hobbyists that are spec-addicts.

It's similar to iOS vs. Android, where John Gruber says it best:

"This idea that designers who favor iOS criticize Android for being poorly designed just because it’s from an Apple competitor is nonsense — a bogeyman construct dreamed up by open source zealots who refuse to believe over a decade of evidence that open source UIs tend to be ugly, and that ugly UIs tend to be unpopular. We criticize Android for being poorly designed because it’s poorly designed. We favor iOS because it’s better designed. That’s it."

FIN!"

[ispano]

Why won't you get this through your thick skull nobody here is say Mac is better just don't fucking tell us you go through the same problems to configure your system to work with this game. You don't have a Mac so fuck off and let us talk amongst ourselves

First, you may want to learn what a Troll is before calling someone such. I also never assumed someone thought a Mac was better. But many people seem to think because it's a Mac it's somehow COMPLETELY different from a PC when the hardware is almost exactly the same. Now if you were comparing how to make something work on Windows or OSX, that would be completely different. They're not even remotely the same. Or perhaps the much older PowerPC/G5 Macs, those are completely different architectures. If you're running a Windows Game, in Windows, on a Mac, you're playing a windows game on a PC. That PC is made for apple with special restrictions and such, like the TPM, to keep OSX predominately on their hardware and prevent a simple "throw the disc in" Windows install.

In the end, I don't care if you like Apple, dislike Apple, use it or not, the facts still stand, it's still a PC. If you're so adamant it's not and that it's a Mac, then maybe you DO feel you're special? I know I don't feel special with the hardware I have.

[ispano]

In having a discussion with my brother (Maconnoisseur) about the Mac debates that seem to permeate throughout the entirety of the Internets. I'm trying to get him to play with me via his MacBook. Here's what he had to say via GTalk just now (since he'd like to post but can't):

"What you should explain to the trolls is that there's a big difference between the similarities of hardware components between the two platforms; the software, operating system and hardware/software design and integration. Yes, both Macs and PCs use the same types of components, but the software that's run on these components do very different things and have very different personalities. Steve Jobs invented the first personal computer in the 80s with the Apple II before computers took up the space of whole rooms, and were only used by budding computer scientists and nerds.

Jobs was anti-IBM, basically, and the only fucking reason people even use a "personal computer" (PC) is because of Steve Jobs. This is exactly the kind of "techie" pundit that I loathe. They don't see the forest for the trees. They over-focus on spec sheets and components and how they're overpriced on the mac. It's NOT ABOUT THE COMPONENTS. The reason Macs are priced at a premium is because they work very well. Period.

A good engineer can put together a hardware bundle that works fluidly with its OS; a bad engineer can use the same components and make a lemon like dad's HP desktop. On paper, it rocked. but when he used it, it was shit. Why? Poor design. It was designed to fail.

The Mac has always been behind when it comes to gaming. And it isn't due to a shortage of powerful hardware ... but the lack of software clients and developer support. The hardware is there. But if iOS has proven anything, it's that gaming can be awesome on a Mac through Steam and the Mac App Store, end-users are slowly realizing that gaming on a Mac has a future. The more support they get from devs, the better.

Also, running Windows through Bootcamp is not the same as running Windows through a PC that's meant for Windows. I've tried Bootcamp, and whenever I use it, it overheats my Mac and strange bugs appear in OSX when I switch back. That's why I stopped running XP on it. I also tried Parallels, which sucked even more
but the latter is virtualization, not the actual Windows OS.

Either way, the native experience is usually better. I hate it when techies compare their PC spec sheets with Mac spec sheets, calculate the math in lieu of the sum of each platform's components, and conclude that since the Mac is so much more expensive, that all Mac users are buying into a reality distortion field where they think they have a better computer, based on hype. Apple is doing well because their products "just work" 99.9% of the time whereas the PC market is fragmented and comprised of open-source zealots and hobbyists that are spec-addicts.

It's similar to iOS vs. Android, where John Gruber says it best:

"This idea that designers who favor iOS criticize Android for being poorly designed just because it’s from an Apple competitor is nonsense — a bogeyman construct dreamed up by open source zealots who refuse to believe over a decade of evidence that open source UIs tend to be ugly, and that ugly UIs tend to be unpopular. We criticize Android for being poorly designed because it’s poorly designed. We favor iOS because it’s better designed. That’s it."

FIN!"

Right, OSX and Windows are two different beasts. I'm pretty sure, since the hardware is not x86 and such, that Apple only put in the ability to boot Windows for the people that wanted or needed it. It "seems" they have no real desire to improve the drivers and such to make it work better. For example, before with the video drivers, you can only use the ones apple provides, correct? It's actually not correct. Other companies do this, they change the Hardware ID of the GPU for example, so it's not recognized by the stock drivers. If you mod the inf file for those drivers to recognize that ID, they install and work fine. So of course it won't work as well as native OSX, Apple may not care, they may not put the same effort into bootcamp drivers, who knows, but it's still a PC. It's the same thing as an awesome video card in a PC, where the manufacturer won't write decent drivers for it.