Accuracy thread again!

[technole]

I'm currently at 498 ACC and I miss just once or twice on average in Seph Ex, I still have two right sides to replace so that'll be a no-brainer to meld up the gap.

[Rawrz]

I'm at 570ish before food on sch and 601 after using grilled sweetfish. With relic weapon I'm at 1022 crit (before food) but with sephy Sep 975 crit. I only put an ACC V in my 220 green top. Only tier 4 accuracy for everything else. My accuracy in sephy is 99.75~100%.

With all these gear set options you can pick the sets with the stats you want and focus on acc for materia.

[Ghishlain]

I'll just add my own data point here. I have about 85% Accuracy on miss-able spells on Sephi EX when rocking about 428 Accuracy.

In terms of the discussion about intending to DPS or not.

If Yoshi-P intended us to DPS, he wouldn't state out right that healer DPS wouldn't be calculated for raid damage.
If Yoshi-P did not intend us to DPs, he would just disable Cleric Stance in any DF 4- or 8-player content.

I feel his intent is to give healer's the choice to DPS or not DPS and gear/meld/use food appropriately which is appreciated given how limited choice is for almost every other aspect of the game.

[AngelicSence]

Last boss anti tower. Tanks only tank and healers only heal. GG dps that get turned into dolls. Healers in this game can't support (bard and machinist seem to have taken that role) so we kind of have to dps in our healing down time unless you're bad. Because in other mmos healers that don't support the group when there's no healing required are bad healers in my eyes.

Any player who don't try their best to multi task are the bad players. People can argue and refuse to play a healer who also support with DPS. But it's just very sad, I agree. I heard many comments where people get defensive and say "I play healer, because I like healing" or "I will enjoy my game how I want to enjoy" etc. IMO, if you could make a slight difference in your run, you should do it. There are many people who play differently, so I will not be surprised if anyone like this idea of slotting accuracy materia in every gear.

[AngelicSence]

Healers have always been able to outdps non caster DPS when it comes to AoE with minimal effort.

You are incorrect. No other healers can perform good AoE DPS, but WHM. However, every job is different. WHMs were designed to unleash burst heal, burst AoE damage. That's why they get Assize (that can damage) and Aero3. But there is a reason why Assize has 90 sec CD and holy deals 200 potency with up to 100 lower potency. WHMs can deal good damage only from the begining' if they use all situational long CD abilities and spam holy. They get weaker and weaker later. That's nothing compared to other DPS class and that's very reasonable. Those numbers you see on healers are not massive. If you ever saw Holy - Swiftcast - Holy - Assize. Then, that's 4k'ish AoE damage. You pay dangerous price when stepping into CS. Your main job is to heal, and nothing ever will change that. If you follow the history, healer DPS only get weaker and now don't hit.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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While what you say may be true as far as WHM is concerned, Scholars sustained AoE DPS is ungodly compared to other jobs, and they pay absolutely nothing for being able to put up such high numbers, regardless of what fairy they're using. I find it hard to believe that WHM can't out DPS non caster DPS, since unlike those jobs, they have an AoE that not only mitigates damage and deals a metric ton upfront, they also have an AoE DoT and can still push higher numbers even if they just PoM Holy spam for the first 15-30 seconds of a trash pack. Nearly every physical DPS job would've stopped AoE'ing several GCD's before due to TP constraints, while WHM gets a free pass.

[Shurrikhan]

I find it hard to believe that WHM can't out DPS non caster DPS, since unlike those jobs, they have an AoE that not only mitigates damage and deals a metric ton upfront, they also have an AoE DoT and can still push higher numbers even if they just PoM Holy spam for the first 15-30 seconds of a trash pack.

Whatever "metric tonnage" AoE dps a WHM might deal with Holy spam, a Gravity spam in Diurnal can do about as well, even without PoM. It's that taking up only 1 GCD and no additional resources to mass-DoT that's enviable to me. SCH can similarly do over half of that in one, but must take up 4x the GCDs and an AF to do triple. As Shadowflare was the post instant/reduced cast Swiftcast for offensive SCHs, Aero III is even more so for WHM.

Which makes it all the more painful when it misses, whereas 3/4 SCH DoTs cannot.

[_slowpoke_]

You are incorrect. No other healers can perform good AoE DPS, but WHM.

Uh, no, please actually get your facts straight. SCHs have extremely good AoE capabilities that aren't that far behind WHM and, in some situations (such as Super-Banes in A2S), even utterly destroy anything a WHM could hope to put out. Plus, SCH AoE DPS is 100% sustainable, even in raids, as opposed to WHM, which is almost entirely burst. Also, AST might not be as good as the other two, but Gravity can still rack up some impressive numbers pretty quickly, especially in quick burst situations, and with the further buffs to their MP recovery that ASTs got in 3.2, you can get away with even more Gravity spam - embrace the FOOOOMP.

[Ghishlain]

Just adding another random data point to this thread.

I'm rocking 444 Accuracy and did Antitower on WHM without a BRD (BLM / DRG / DRK composition). Had approximately 97% hit rate and had over 500 casts/hits of DPS spells in that run.

460-470 accuracy for capped accuracy sounds about right for existing EX dungeon content.

[Aikota]

Uhhh meld accuracy? I'm accuracy capped up to A6S right now with minimal melds and food...not sure what you guys are doing...of course you're gonna miss with base accuracy lol.