Stone,Sky,Sea

[Vespar]

Are the Stone, Sky, Sea trials only broken up by tank, Healer, DPS?
or
Are they broken up based off of job?

I am asking because when it comes to Bard/MCH whose DPS are statistically lower than that of other DPS, I feel they are going to have a harder time taking out a trial, even if their gear is the same item level as a Monk or other DPS.

I have already tried test this a bit. On my i203 Ninja only keeping up a basic rotation with my dots and adding in Raitons when available I was able to take Thordan's Trial to 4%.
On my ilvl 206 BRD however, I hit it with everything I had that I'd normally do as Im more proficient w/ Bard and could only reach 9% before the 3mins were up...

Note, I was not using food or anything for either attempt.

If the trials are indeed only broken up by tank/heal/dps then I feel like some adjustments should be made to keep BRD/MCH inline with other DPS or we will likely see folks singling them out of runs because of their lesser DPS, regardless of the support they provide. I don't parse or use parsers, but if the new metric for getting into PF groups ends up being your ability to take out a specified Stone,Sky,Sea trial. I can see it becoming problematic for MCH or BRD due to their naturally lesser damage.

[Archaell]

If this is the case, then the problem isn't as much Bard/Mch dps being lower, as the fact that the other jobs can beat it with less effort, which then makes the real encounters harder.

I honestly hoped it would be job specific ._.

[Itseotle]

If this is the case, then the problem isn't as much Bard/Mch dps being lower, as the fact that the other jobs can beat it with less effort, which then makes the real encounters harder.

I honestly hoped it would be job specific ._.

pretty sure it is. Did the S1T7 Extreme trial as i210 DRG and beat it by 13 seconds. A friend did same trial as i210 PLD and beat it by 6 seconds. And I know an optimal DRG can do way more dps than optimal PLD.

[Vespar]

I'm not sure what the case is now...
My husband just tried to do Thordan EX trial as MCH, he made it to 1% and his item level is i195. far lesser than mine.

Clearly I'll be looking very in-depth at my Bard rotation to make sure Im not messing something up... or did they really Boost MCH's capability that much with the patch? If its the latter, then Bard seriously needs some love lol

[Archaell]

pretty sure it is. Did the S1T7 Extreme trial as i210 DRG and beat it by 13 seconds. A friend did same trial as i210 PLD and beat it by 6 seconds. And I know an optimal DRG can do way more dps than optimal PLD.

It could still be role based tho.

I'm not sure what the case is now...
My husband just tried to do Thordan EX trial as MCH, he made it to 1% and his item level is i195. far lesser than mine.

Clearly I'll be looking very in-depth at my Bard rotation to make sure Im not messing something up... or did they really Boost MCH's capability that much with the patch? If its the latter, then Bard seriously needs some love lol

The changes to MCH weren't that big, so you should read few guides I guess.

[Felis]

They are broken up by bosses, I think
each dummy have their own hp and def equal to the boss.

[Malicewolf]

I have no clue. I just tested out A1S test with my PLD and broke through it in 2 min.... I was quite surprised honestly. It was the same amount of time it took me to break down the level 60 dummy as well... I felt it was off... Granted, on the original dummy, I was doing it without Sword Oath... so that probably caused me a huge delay. But still, was very surprised to break through it at all with my PLD... If this is job specific, then sure, I can see how it may be.

And one thing I didn't really like with this test is that it gives you ZERO incentive to do anything but your best rotation to maximize DPS. It doesn't make you worry about dodging mechanics, or putting up buffs. Of course I would upkeep goring blade with my PLD and then spam away with my RA combo and pass on RoH. I fear this test will really end up making more ego-centric players whose heads are full of too much air . The only way it'll deflate will be in the actual dungeons when the rest of the group will have to suffer after seeing they "know" their rotation, but not the mechanics.

[Altijacek]

I'm just glad I have the DPS for A4S lol, first thing I did. Of course mechanically it's a new story but at least I have more than enough DPS lol

[Kai_Lee]

Maybe it's just me, but I find it lame. I beat the three hardest trial as a warrior, as3, as4, and thordan ex and saw the only thing separating the three was a few seconds. With thordan ex being the best at 30 seconds remaining when I beat the dummy. How am I suppose to configure my rotation if they don't give us real numbers to see?

[Archaell]

You are supposed to learn the rotation at your favorit theory crafter. This dummy is mainly for telling the players if they are good enough or not.

Tho let's hope that it will get expanded in the future to include at least some aoe. The main rotation is nice, but hardly sufficient.