Raid 24 and incredible bad choice for the additional loot.

[silentwindfr]

since the 3.2 the additional loot in the raid 24, understand minion and orchestrion roll and into the 4th chest, means you must rand against 23 people for get it. it will be ok, if and i say if.... it was not possible to sell this item to the AH.

i feel this loot must be inclued into the last chest per group, not for the whole raid. and i fail to understand why the roll that are personal loot in every other content are there a chest reward for 24 player rand. especially if you take in account that some song need to be obtain 2 times in CT 1-2-3.

[Ragology]

I've heard that people roll on ponies even when they already have them. It would probably be the same here. At least keeping them sellable means you can buy them off the market board eventually, and hopefully for cheap.

[silentwindfr]

you really think that people will sell it for cheap? i doubt it greatly. so far that was the worst decision they did make in the whole 3.x series.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

I've heard that people roll on ponies even when they already have them. It would probably be the same here. At least keeping them sellable means you can buy them off the market board eventually, and hopefully for cheap.

You actually can't do that. If you already have a pony and try to roll, it'll mention something about "Unable to roll on already acquired untradeable Mount" or something.

[RiceisNice]

I've heard that people roll on ponies even when they already have them. It would probably be the same here. At least keeping them sellable means you can buy them off the market board eventually, and hopefully for cheap.

This was the case initially. Sometime in 2.5 I think they made it so you can't roll on minions and mounts that you already have and that said item is untradable. Before that, I've seen a couple of ponies and nightmare gone to people who already had it

[SokiYagami]

since the 3.2 the additional loot in the raid 24, understand minion and orchestrion roll and into the 4th chest, means you must rand against 23 people for get it. it will be ok, if and i say if.... it was not possible to sell this item to the AH.

i feel this loot must be inclued into the last chest per group, not for the whole raid. and i fail to understand why the roll that are personal loot in every other content are there a chest reward for 24 player rand. especially if you take in account that some song need to be obtain 2 times in CT 1-2-3.

Not going to comment on the minion stuff, but rather the Orchestrion Roll from the tower series.

1. You DO NOT need to roll against 23 players, only 7 players from your party.
2. I've saw the final boss chest dropping up to two Orchestrion Roll from the same chest, but the drop rate is not 100% so most of the time there's no Orchestrion Roll in it.
3. You need NOT TWO, BUT FREAKING THREE Orchestrion Roll from each of the towers (CT/ST/WoD).

Couple with hours long queue, it's really (pardon my language) fk'ed up situation. Queuing for hours and having nothing to show. At least the other 8 mans can be farm rather quickly if you manage to form a decent team, or in worst case are still accessible via duty finder. Towers? Good luck forming an alliance of 24 players to get in there. And before anyone mentioned about helping the new players, I did join a carry party for a new player for CT last night. Queue run for close to two hours before it disband. And most of the time when I managed to get into either towers in the past two days doesn't have new player bonus message either. So go figure.

[Zhao_Yun]

Yeah, I don't see myself getting 9 rolls out of Tower, especially since people can always roll again even if they already have it. They should have made it a 100% drop as the minions and even then it would be still difficult enough to get.

[Gunspec]

They need to chop up the old towers into individual bosses and put them in trial roulette. As much as it would suck to not be able to run the towers in their original format through random duty finder, you pretty much already have that situation. They can make the optional 4th chest randomly spawn on all 4 bosses of each tower, so you don't have people just spamming the last boss.

I would love to finish one or two of my Syrcus Tower glamour sets, but waiting for an hour on a specific class (so I can roll need), just for the group to fall apart before we reach my boss, only to reach the boss on my third attempt and not see the loot drop... Crystal tower is just a waste of time as it is now, adding new items to last boss won't help.

[Nalien]

I wish they'd stop sticking to formula with content... Alexander drops the item you need for Lore weapons? Big surprise there...

Know what I'd have done? Rather than having Midan Gears exchanged for High-capacity Allagan Tomestones, I'd have added a new reward to the Crystal Tower weekly quest, which functions like a mix between Treasure Maps and Guildhests. You'd use it, go to the indicated area, use the item up to enter an instance. In which you'd face off against Lv60 content, which you'd probably want a group for, and that would be the method for obtaining High-capacity Allagan Tomestones.

Done. Want a Lore weapon? You have to do something entirely new which requires you to go through Crystal Tower first, which would hopefully mean it reverts back to the level of activity it saw during 2.5, World of Darkness had more back then than it ever will again, but that weekly quest was the only thing really keeping the other queues active, and it worked...

Instead, they wasted the weekly drop on Alexander: Midas, which people would be doing for i220 anyway...

[AstralKaos]

It is absolutely astounding that they added these Orchestrion Rolls to the Tower series after acknowledging that they don't get run or are on over two hour queue waits.

You got the memo, SE, so why the hell did you think this was a good idea!? It makes sense that the music comes from there, but it didn't mean to do it (for damned good reason, too), do you REALLY think people will suddenly make it active because you added some music scrolls... guess what, not surprisingly, it did NOT, the queue is still exceptionally long like it was before and there's literally nobody wanting to deal with this nonsense queue time.

And to make it even worse, despite the fact that you willingly added items that are dead on arrival, you made it so you require an equally absurd amount of them and are needed to fight several others for them IF, yes, IF they appear? Absurd! Gut these three raids into a boss rush for each one, tweak them so they can be done with 8 people or do something, because you haven't fixed anything with the Tower problem... you've only ADDED to it.

Sorry if I sound annoyed, but that's because I am, this has to be the most mind-baffling thing they have done in a long time, it's like in the last month or so they had completely forgotten the thing they acknowledged and thought it'd be funny to add fuel to an already blazing inferno.