Rest in peace War dps

[Ultimatecalibur]

I think the thread title should have been "RIP WAR heals" instead lol. I'm surprised they didn't edit the percentage of self-heal for Warrior in anticipation of having more HP+getting presumably hit harder in future content.

One thing to consider is that Str Tanks (especially Warriors) were healing and therefore mitigating more damage than intended for their ilevel. The damage calculation change pretty much brought them back into line with the other two tanks.

[Genoreaper]

that would be such a great example to wave at people if most dps could even play their class at anywhere near three quarters of maximum efficiency

dps always whine about this and that but man i couldn't imagine a FFXIV where in every level of content in the game doing your job acceptably was as pertinent as the healer or tanks doing theirs.

i bet there are still dps who do less damage than the tanks in dungeons and have comparable item level which is completely unacceptable

Those dps need to get better not rely on tanks. I like the trinity, but it's moot if tanks are independent. It also made a lot of tanks bad trying to be dps. I do wish they made stances specs, so que, gear, play and enjoy as dps, ect. But dps just needs to get better in general, and you can't say it isn't relevant because dps check wipes are real

[RecklessLion]

Meh it had to happen in a way. You could point out plenty of bad warriors vs others. People never used any of theach tank heals or mitigation which is why healers hated WAR the most. Though I kind of wish they remained the same and kept the dps the tank forum would of still went crazy. People are still trying to get WAR nerf because how strong we are as off tanks. I'm a WAR for life and I love being a tank regardless of the changes. But this sounds mean kind of hard to enjoy a game when people are always complaining about nothing. Some things needed to be fixed on certain classes but the whole balancing out jobs to accommodate bad plays or make all jobs viable equally is getting old. I could understand if you had to make new toons or accounts to enjoy the game but you don't....just stubborn players crying to get their way.

[Daragon]

Almost like you are supposed to tank,mworry about hate, and such rather than try to top dps charts. Weird. I'm pretty mad my blm heals aren't keeping raids alive BTW so I'm on your side

You're also forgetting the pre 3.2 STR tank was the best tank and the simple fact that as a result, dps players would pull half-arse auto-duty to get carried, especially if their favourite netflix show had just come out. STR tanks were all or nothing on speed runs and now we're just gonna put our shiny tank boots straight up the arses of dps that can't cut it without a goodbye so all the main dps in the game better get good real damn fast or they're out.
TLR
This is not a change to help piss poor auto dps players but it will make tanks and healers more likely to boot the piss poor dps players, which is awesome as I career tank. I should not be doing your bloody job and since the patch, there's less ability for me to do your job so get good or get out.

[Genoreaper]

Everyone loves large hits, I'd be sad as a blm if they went away, but in the same respect that's my job. Tanks are still tanks, they didn't nerd your main purpose. You still have that. More damage was nice but was hell on heals and encouraged lazy dps. By making tanks into tanks that hit slightly less hard, and boost their hp, the group can play as a group now.

[Delorean]

Those dps need to get better

i've played world of warcraft for 8 years

they will not get better, they never get better. and if they do, they are rarely in queue with you.

a few weeks ago I was in sohm al with a bard doing ridiculous damage. i was not parsing him at first but everything was taking forever to die and i had to know where the damage was in the group... when i loaded it up his damage was absolutely pathetic. I was doing about 500 dps on my ninja on most pulls but this guy was doing like 130 dps.

like fr dude? i was doing 230 dps on titan hard when that was relevant as a warrior in my ilv 90 gear with Allagan Battleaxe

i told him his damage was low and he should improve on it and all he did was cry about it and asked if i was parsing him. like i told him to unplug his internet and quit the game or something.

so im just like lol when a dps complains about a tank doing dps because rarely if ever are they actually performing the duty they signed up for

[FinalWolf]

I guess I was asking too for much for a 5% nerf huh

[Genoreaper]

Competent str tanks did great runs, bad ones made exponentially worse runs the ones who don't know how big a pull they could handle then blame the healers. If you play as a good tank you probably never saw the multitude of bad ones out there. Unrelated how the hell do I get bsck to mobile view lmfao

[Genoreaper]

I played wow for years as well, found horrors in all 3 of the roles. Bad players are going to be bad, would you be happy if healers or dps got huge general buff in dps to compensate or are you just mad that you aren\\\\'t as the tank? How about all dps classes get double damage just in case? Why should 1 tank job be the lone crutch?

You touched on another key problem. Parses. Everyone on console can\\\\'t even parse themselves, it would be great if it was self viewed or toggled to share. I have to ask someone to parse me when I want it done. So someone plays and things die, they have no idea how far behind they are. Unfortunately those who can exclusively parse have a tendency to go elitist and get mad when they aren\\\\'t topping regardless of their actual role. In the end tanks are made to be tanks, not armored dps with constant mitigation

[Genoreaper]

Won't let me edit. But another thought, what if dragoons,monks, or ninja could take, keep and mitigate hate and damage better than you while still doing more dps , then they lost it during a patch and start raging over being squishier, would you feel bad? Or would you tell them to focus on doing damage while you tanked. If you want to tank, play tank, want to dps play dps. You were the only job who could choose between two options, blm can't go full mnd gear for any reason, heals can't rock full int and out dps plus heal.