[spoilers]3.2 MSQ Discussion/Reaction thread

**CyrilLucifer** · 03-12-2016 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Nalien

Given how much emphasis they put on these though... I really wonder if they'll have some deeper meaning later on... Perhaps it was just a joke to liven up the typical "Go attune for the fight!", similar to Tidus and Levibetus? Perhaps Unukalhai merely gave them to us to have the tribes help us, perhaps we were meant to hold onto them to absorb some of Bismarck/Ravana's power after slaying them?

It didn't really seem humorous to me, if it was intended to be it was lost in translation.

I see there to be two purposes for the ancient relics:

1. Another one of those hints that Unukalhai is definitely not a normal boy. As if we really needed another with everything hitting us hard as a tank's Da'at splash. These relics are so ancient the beast tribes didn't know they still existed, how did Unukalhai or his 'master' come to have them in his possession?
2. I've mentioned this in threads before, but did the fact that we used something of a ritual of sacrifice to encounter Primals signal bright flashing red lights at anyone else? I feel like this is kind of the point, there's something really odd going on there. Especially when paired with Totally-not-Elidibus-or-his-servant being totally-not-an-Ascian-we-swear and the entire 2.X Ex primal series teased at the Ascians teaching new rituals for summoning at us.

Back in 3.0 I toyed with the idea that we helped in strengthening the primals based upon Lahabrea's ARF dialogue - that we're always looking for more and stronger foes to fight, but at the same time that doesn't particularly make sense, especially after 3.1 (WoDs banishing them) and 3.2. Why would he want us to strengthen the Primals and risk getting hurt if he wants us to deal with the Triad later?

The mystery of Unukalhai's relics is one of those most irksome for me.

PS: FFV is best.

**Nalien** · 03-12-2016 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

Why would he want us to strengthen the Primals and risk getting hurt if he wants us to deal with the Triad later?

I definitely don't think us smashing the gems had anything to do with the power up from hard to extreme, since both Ravana and Bismarck were shown in combat prior to our initial fight with them; Ravana took on Shiva, and we saw the Garlean ships chasing Bismarck. They were both softened up for us the first time, the extreme version was just us going against them for real.

Based on the other half of the Diabolical Bismarck journal, I actually wonder if this is more a case of just doing things as they were written;

Chief Sonu reveals that in returning to Ok'Zundu with the Weeping Eye of the Manukmani, you were fulfilling an ancient prophecy. Legend has it that a Vanu elder once cast the eyes into the Sea of Clouds, proclaiming that they would return to the Vanu in the possession of a hero, who would then deliver them from destruction. And so, your battle with the White shall be preserved and passed down from generation to generation, doubtless growing greater with each telling...

Your victory was written in the aether, and Unukalhai read it long before you returned. Yet you know all too well not to rejoiuce overmuch in the accomplishment, for such treats are wont to return again and again.

Now... That has me casting doubts on what is really going on here with Elidibus and Urianger... Giving us the means to fulfill prophecy? Lets hope that's limited to Vanu legend, and not a certain piece of apocrypha that's seemingly being used to unite us against a common enemy... Plot twist, the Warring Triad is our Crystalism and we just botched the Rite of Awakening, just as planned... What have you done to me, Airy?!

PS: Best pre-3D, perhaps...

**Nalien** · 03-12-2016 04:27 PM

See, I'm fairly dubious as to what their goal even is at that point... Return things to when Light and Dark were as one? Well, Hydaelyn could always have lied to us, but Zodiark was the aggressor before all this... He coveted power, he upset the balance and "forced" Hydaelyn to banish him and sunder reality... Given how they clearly view Zodiark in a much better light than Hydaelyn, what's the goal here? How is this about balance when they're seeking to restore the one who originally upset that balance? They want to "revive the one true god", not "restore balance between the two true gods".

**CyrilLucifer** · 03-12-2016 04:42 PM

I think that's the point. The revival of their God is the final goal, but that requires the destruction of all of the barriers/reflections surrounding Hydaelyn's "Source," via Hydaelyn herself.

Zodiark longeth to be made whole. For His resurrection, for His restoration, his servants labor without cease.

By destroying these barriers to revive their God, the side effect is that Zodiark will be 'made whole,' returning to as it once was, as it ever should have remained, his connection to the Source (which Hydaelyn seems to have full control over at the moment) restored. Or maybe it's the opposite, as I believe Lahabrea seems to be implying - becoming 'whole' will revive their God, as a side effect. Same result either way, details details.

Now, again, once that happens and Zodiark returns to become "whole" with the Source, I don't think anyone can make any predictions. Will life cease to exist? Can we go about our daily business with 'the Source' restored? I have no idea.

Maybe I misinterpreted it, but to me, what seems to hurt Hydaelyn most is the destruction of her children over the reflections. Those are still lives, those are still individuals destroyed.

(Also, whenever I discuss destroying reflections, Tales of Xillia 2 is always brought to mind and how we destroy millions of 'fake' worlds filled with our friends and individuals in order to preserve one. Anyone else?)

**Morningstar1337** · 03-12-2016 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

(Also, whenever I discuss destroying reflections, Tales of Xillia 2 is always brought to mind and how we destroy millions of 'fake' worlds filled with our friends and individuals in order to preserve one. Anyone else?)

That was also the first thing that came to mind when I got to that plot point

**Theodric** · 03-12-2016 09:03 PM

It's interesting that Alexander was originally summoned by a bunch of Xaela. I wonder if that'll ever tie into events elsewhere? Especially the MSQ?

**Fenral** · 03-12-2016 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Theodric

It's interesting that Alexander was originally summoned by a bunch of Xaela. I wonder if that'll ever tie into events elsewhere? Especially the MSQ?

It's copying a lot from CT's storyline, and Mide says a bunch about herself that only really makes sense in contrast with those earlier events. Considering Cid and his crew are involved in both, I'd say they're both part of a larger meta-arc about the scattered remnants of Allag and their various long-term plans for the future. Which will hopefully be part of the MSQ when it takes us to Garlemald.

**shao32** · 03-13-2016 02:59 AM

mmmm i think hydaelyn can be the the bad guy in this story whe dont know nothing about zodiark opinion and story, whe only have hydaelin words about what happen and now she is weak and want us to stop how want to dethrone in the balance.

but is only a theory ^^.

**DreamAngel-Ren** · 03-13-2016 03:56 AM

The whole story about Hydaelyn and Zodiark use to be one then being seperated only for Elidibus to say that they must be one again in order to bring balance..it reminds me waay too much of the Soul Calibur series XD

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