Needed fix to allow for Drk/Pld raid partys

[Kaeoni]

If you got rid of Dancing edge's ability to slap on a Slashing resistance down no one would use Dancing Edge. It might as well be a PvP only ability. No one cares about 20% less healing in PvE
Then what happens if Ninja gets paired with Dark Knights? We just dil with it?

And what about Monks paired with Warriors? Just no Int down allowed?

Why shouldn't Ninja be able to throw up slashing debuff?
Why shouldn't Monks be able to throw up Int Debuff?
Why is Paladin so entitled that they can take from what other classes have? Because it's a tank?

#CheckYourPrivilege
Damn i got to use that twice today!

No perfect balance is ever going to be found while trying to make classes unique and different from one another. I'm not saying this as an excuse for their not to be changes to level the playing field.
BUT!.... I think Buffs are better than Nerfs. And that's how companies generally tackle balancing issues nowadays. Hopefully the Inc Patch will dissolve all our worries and put our hearts to rest!

[Syzygian]

I hate to say it because its a woefully boring solution and reeks of ***HoMoGeNiZaTiOn-OMG*** but literally the only thing you'd need to do to make PLD/DRK combos good (perhaps not perfect or ideal, but good) would be to give one of them a slashing debuff, incorporated in such a way as to not change either job's rotation. Wouldn't gimp any DPS, and it wouldn't buff PLD/WAR or DRK/WAR combos.

Your ideas are bad, all due respect.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

heres why Warriors and Dark knights fear this, prefered first spots on raid teams!

if pld whant to join a first clear group, mr/mrs pld is your ilevel higher than ours we cleared it a week ago so your ilevel needs to be alil higher than what we cleared it as.


Bottom line pld utility is more healing and surrport and guess what not needed 100% if healers are worth their salt!

[Starbirth]

I would straight up take away the warriors slashing debuff and replace it with something else.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

ok i will say this forget WOW
when is a tank required to actually heal other people? thats pld right nows kit.

no other mmo has skills besides wows lay on hands if i rember right. infact them party compositions could skip the need for a healing class.

either buff pld with abilitys to keep all alive and take place of healer and tank or just do something simmilar to what I say to ballance things for tanks...

[Syzygian]

You do know that PLD just got some pretty big buffs and the new raid tier is probably going to favor a PLD MT right? (less DPS checks, more physical damage)

[Starbirth]

Favor is a strong word. Im just hoping its balanced.

Disclaimer: Hope is not rational :\

[Valkyrie-Amber]

yes our dps will be sillilar to warriors dps in theory but. look Drk needs work and I mentioned more or less buff them to wars or nerf war slightly keep them equil....

I never said buff pld to drk lv though probs similar after patch...

in the end plds utility is still fluff... so drop dps to heal?... with strict dps checks that is hard till war/drk partys clear it first...

the tank issue is still fact of utility...


if we chose a different fix not to make tanks similar... ok make pld be able to use medica 2 like whm then healers can full dps and make up for plds dps loss..

a true fix based on holy pld from wow would be make pld hybrid healer and tank. allowing healers to stay dps stance...
warrior is dps + tank while drk is mid range if following fix line above make war and drk simmilar.

I never mentioned buff plds dps at all... like if im tanking wow.. i used to love to tank and heal people... made hole pld truly fun and unique.. never tryed shadow...

[Starbirth]

yes our dps will be sillilar to warriors dps in theory but. look Drk needs work and I mentioned more or less buff them to wars or nerf war slightly keep them equil....
I never said buff pld to drk lv though probs similar after patch...

in the end plds utility is still fluff... so drop dps to heal?... with strict dps checks that is hard till war/drk partys clear it first...

the tank issue is still fact of utility...


if we chose a different fix not to make tanks similar... ok make pld be able to use medica 2 like whm then healers can full dps and make up for plds dps loss..

a true fix based on holy pld from wow would be make pld hybrid healer and tank. allowing healers to stay dps stance...
warrior is dps + tank while drk is mid range if following fix line above make war and drk simmilar.

I never mentioned buff plds dps at all... like if im tanking wow.. i used to love to tank and heal people... made hole pld truly fun and unique.. never tryed shadow...

From someone who mains PLD I will agree everything but divine veil could be considered fluff, but every PLD fluff skill has had its day at one time such as cover during Titan farms or Shield bash for Twintania Dreadknights(god I miss Twin). The team in charge of raid design just lacks the coherence to tie certain utility skills to boss mechanics not to the point they are required but where they will just shine.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

ikr... that what im pointing out to personally I prefer what I just said to my op...

a true fix based on holy pld from wow would be make pld hybrid healer and tank. allowing healers to stay dps stance...
warrior is dps + tank while drk is mid range if following fix line above make war and drk simmilar.

I never mentioned buff plds dps at all... like if im tanking wow.. i used to love to tank and heal people... made hole pld truly fun and unique.. never tryed shadow...

plds mattered in wow groups we skipped out on a healer for another dps... the feel is simmilar with clemany but 2 sec cast 3.2... still dosent lower the major mp cost...

warrior is dps tank make Drk mid range and make pld tank and healer....