If You Were A Class/Job Designer...

[Sarynth]

Greetings all, just a few simple changes I would implement (quality of life stuff)

Warrior: Not much to change; stance dancing is nice and fluid, mitigating damage with mass hp and self heals fits with it. Only change I can think of would be to replace Foresight (ability is junk lol) with Incite: increases damage and defense based on number of times hit by x%, stacks five times.

Paladin/Dark Knight: take Grit, Shield/Sword oath off the gcd to allow for more fluid stance switching. For Living dead please remove the death on not getting healed for 100% hp... just please. Main tank goes down no one has a good day.

Paladin: I'm not sure how paladin is at 60 (mine is 53) but the 1-2-3 combo gets really old especially as gladiator is touted as the sword master. Last but not least rename Sheltron to Palisade, for some reason the name sheltron just doesn't seem fitting.

[garret_hawke]

Paladin: I'm not sure how paladin is at 60 (mine is 53) but the 1-2-3 combo gets really old especially as gladiator is touted as the sword master. Last but not least rename Sheltron to Palisade, for some reason the name sheltron just doesn't seem fitting.

Goring Blade (lvl 54) and Royal authority (lvl 60) give diversity to pld. It's not the main problem with pld.

[Sarynth]

Goring Blade (lvl 54) and Royal authority (lvl 60) give diversity to pld. It\\'s not the main problem with pld.

Oh good, good. It'll be a bit before I get royal authoring but that goring blade animation. Om nom nom.

[JackFross]

replace Foresight (ability is junk lol)

Let me learn you a thing, because too many people are just blind to this or don't give enough of a shit to care about actually considering Foresight.

This implication is flat wrong in 3.x. It may have been a bit accurate before 3.0 made defense a stat that actually means something, finally, but all of the research on Foresight has proven this to be an inaccurate assessment of how effective Foresight is for physical mitigation, now.

My Paladin currently has 2524 Defense with Protect and 3029 with Foresight on top. According to calculations done in early 3.0, hitting this cooldown is ~15.5% physical damage mitigation. I would say that's actually significant. It's certainly weaker than Rampart, but it's a lot closer than you're implying.

Comparison of different physical tank buster mitigations:
ShO+Sen+Shel = .8*.6*.77 = ~36.9% damage taken
ShO+Ramp+Shel = .8*.8*.77 = ~49.3% damage taken
ShO+Fore+Shel = .8*.845*.77 = ~52.1% damage taken
ShO+Shel = .8*.77 = ~61.6% damage taken

So yeah, it's clearly not better than Rampart, but it's absolutely not worthless. Implying it's "not a real CD" is silly. Would you say Dark Mind is "not a real CD" without Dark Arts? It's essentially the Magical equivalent to Foresight at current gear levels.


If you're eating physical tank busters, Foresight should -absolutely- be part of your CD rotation. If it isn't, you're doing it wrong.

More importantly, Foresight is cross-class. If you replace it with some other skill, that skill would ALSO need to be cross-class while being as useful as Foresight currently is. Your suggestion, imo, would not realistically meet either of those requirements. Dragoons and Monks have access to MRD cross-class, as well as both other tanks. So...

[Instrumentality]

Let me learn you a thing

This is good, I like this line.

I think the small list of things I would change currently about tanks is to buff RoH potency to ~280. Buff Storm's Eye potency to ~290.

Maaaayybbee add 10% damage taken down to DRK's DD. And buff Delirium to ~290 potency.

[Yuni_Queen]

Maaaayybbee add 10% damage taken down to DRK's DD.

Don't touch it! It's mine! Don't touch iiiiiit!! ;_____;

And buff Delirium to ~290 potency.

Buffing delirium is not bad idea, but i would rather change dleirium side-effect. i would change it to lower magic-attack dealt or magic-resistance (5% should be more than OP for both of these, i know)- better this than 20-potency-higher normal combo, when a monk is in party.

[Instrumentality]

Don't touch it! It's mine! Don't touch iiiiiit!! ;_____;

Buffing delirium is not bad idea, but i would rather change dleirium side-effect. i would change it to lower magic-attack dealt or magic-resistance (5% should be more than OP for both of these, i know)- better this than 20-potency-higher normal combo, when a monk is in party.

Lmao, sorry about the first one.

The reason I want the combo potencies buffed is so that it is always a clear and present choice to trade bonus enmity for extra damage. Right now it isn't like that for Warriors (which is extremely powerful, easily enough alone to make them the best tank to actually tank things), and is like that for the other two tanks.

Buffing RoH to 280 just brings it more in line with damage output of other enmity skills.

[Sarynth]

Let me learn you a thing, because too many people are just blind to this or don\\'t give enough of a shit to care about actually considering Foresight.


More importantly, Foresight is cross-class. If you replace it with some other skill, that skill would ALSO need to be cross-class while being as useful as Foresight currently is. Your suggestion, imo, would not realistically meet either of those requirements. Dragoons and Monks have access to MRD cross-class, as well as both other tanks. So...

Ah thank you for the clarification on just how much foresight actually does. Also I completely forgot it was cross class >_< So a bit off topic is foresight before ter saved for tanks busters or used to reduce overall damage?

[JackFross]

Ah thank you for the clarification on just how much foresight actually does. Also I completely forgot it was cross class >_< So a bit off topic is foresight before ter saved for tanks busters or used to reduce overall damage?

Depends on the fight. In Sephirot EX, for instance, there's a large amount of physical tank busters in phase 1, so it's best saved for one of those when Rampart+Sentinel (Shadowskin+Shadow Wall) are both on cooldown.

In the final phase, the towers are physical, so it works the same as tank busters in p1. Very effective for mitigating that damage.

It's useful for dungeon pulls, since most mobs are physical.

Situational, just like every other mitigation cooldown.