Dragoon is coming, but will our gallant companion be joining us?

[TheVedis]

No - its utterly irrelevant because lore changes game per game. 11 had it - so 14 could have it too. 9 quasi had it so it could be in 14 too. If none of them had it it could still be in 14. There is no imperative formula either way.

ok so by that argumenet, the lore changes, and dragoons dont need wyverns anymore
and its ok because lore changes

[Arcell]

not at all it isnt

saying a dragoon MUST have a wyvern to be a dragoon because 1 single game out of every game out there with dragoons had them, says basicaly, that you dont know your wyvern vs dragoon history

Agreed, it's pretty ridiculous. It also kind of clues you in on how much FF history they know. Just because XI did it doesn't mean every other FF game must. Dragoons are generally distinguished by the Jump ability and wielding spears of some sort, not by having a wyvern pet.

No - its utterly irrelevant because lore changes game per game. 11 had it - so 14 could have it too. 9 quasi had it so it could be in 14 too. If none of them had it it could still be in 14. There is no imperative formula either way.

Lore changes but the distinguishing features of certain classes stay mostly similar. As stated above Dragoons are characterized by spears and the Jump ability. True they could have wyvern pets but it does not distinguish one as a Dragoon. FFTA Dragoons had AoE cone breath abilities but that doesn't make it a distinguishing characteristic of Dragoon.

[Vackashken]

Lore changes but the distinguishing features of certain classes stay mostly similar. As stated above Dragoons are characterized by spears and the Jump ability. True they could have wyvern pets but it does not distinguish one as a Dragoon. FFTA Dragoons had AoE cone breath abilities but that doesn't make it a distinguishing characteristic of Dragoon.

And people are asking for the "distinguishing features" to be dismissed because they want a wyvern? Dragoon are characterized by spears and jump ability? I'm pretty sure we had those in 11 as well. Seems it meets your criteria there. Your arguments against are meaningless. Fact of the matter is someone could just as easily say wyvern are a part of the overall lore now because 11 had them.

Like it or not they are part of the over all lore so could either fit into the game or not. Stating however, there is no place for them because other games didn't have them is a misnomer. 1 did - 1 in the same venue we are playing now. An MMO.

[grandm]

Agreed, it's pretty ridiculous. It also kind of clues you in on how much FF history they know. Just because XI did it doesn't mean every other FF game must. Dragoons are generally distinguished by the Jump ability and wielding spears of some sort, not by having a wyvern pet.




Lore changes but the distinguishing features of certain classes stay mostly similar. As stated above Dragoons are characterized by spears and the Jump ability. True they could have wyvern pets but it does not distinguish one as a Dragoon. FFTA Dragoons had AoE cone breath abilities but that doesn't make it a distinguishing characteristic of Dragoon.

i agree with you that the dragoon needs a lance and jump to be a dragoon, not a wyvern. but just to point out a little FF history the most famous dragoon. (in my opinion) kain highwind didn't have a lance he had swords (if he had lances he wasn't restricted to them) but every dragoon after him had a lance and jump that is what defines dragoons. anyway to them that want the wyvern, stop being greedy i seen the pic's your getting some wicked armour :P

[Jennestia]

Agreed, it's pretty ridiculous. It also kind of clues you in on how much FF history they know. Just because XI did it doesn't mean every other FF game must. Dragoons are generally distinguished by the Jump ability and wielding spears of some sort, not by having a wyvern pet.

Here's the thing: Lore wise, Dragoons have always had ties to Dragons in some way -- FFXI manifestated that tie and gave us a Wyvern pet because it's the wyvern we saved. They're not called Dragon Knights simply because it sounded cool, they're called Dragon Knights because they're linked to Dragons in some way. Some FFs show this better than others.

FFXI is the only other online iteration of FF, which a deeper backstory for Dragoon in particular, so naturally, you'd think with the advent of new lore into FF pertaining to DRG, they'd follow it up somehow because every FF game with Summons, Bahamaut has always been a 'leader' which followed suit in XI as well.

[Vackashken]

well as of right now, it is imposible, they havent implemented a way of dealing with pets

Misnomer. Its not even close to impossible from the fact they're adding pet classes and said they're doing re-writes to the story to help recreate the jumbled world. If enough people asked for it they certainly could fit in wyvern.

but in the end, traditionaly, dragoons have NOT had wyverns as pets, they are dragon slayers of sorts instead(hence the name dragon knight which was turned into dragoon)

Again, absolutely and unequivocally meaningless. 11 had them and 9 did as well (in her own way). The "tradition" can and does modulate game per game.

saying that they arent real dragoons(as per the OP) without a wyvern is just down right inacurate

It was inaccurate but I don't care in the sense of the overall picture. I want them - simple as that so I will express my desire just as you are express yours to not have them.

[TheVedis]

Misnomer. Its not even close to impossible from the fact they're adding pet classes and said they're doing re-writes to the story to help recreate the jumbled world. If enough people asked for it they certainly could fit in wyvern.



Again, absolutely and unequivocally meaningless. 11 had them and 9 did as well (in her own way). The "tradition" can and does modulate game per game.



It was inaccurate but I don't care in the sense of the overall picture. I want them - simple as that so I will express my desire just as you are express yours to not have them.

so what im getting from your tone at this point

"i dont care about the past i want one, and i dont care how we get them"

fact: pet classes are not currently possible, yes they are looking into them, but fact is fact, they are not currently possible and they wont be possible in near future

also you obviously fail to see my points, never once did i say i was against them, im arguing the point that they are not REQUIRED in order for it to be a dragoon class, id personaly be fine with it either way

[Vackashken]

so what im getting from your tone at this point

"i dont care about the past i want one, and i dont care how we get them"

Are you trying to be dense?

fact: pet classes are not currently possible, yes they are looking into them, but fact is fact, they are not currently possible and they wont be possible in near future

FACT: They're doing re-writes. If people expressed their interest it is certainly possible no matter which way you want to cut it.

also you obviously fail to see my points, never once did i say i was against them, im arguing the point that they are not REQUIRED in order for it to be a dragoon class, id personaly be fine with it either way

I see your points - you keep saying its not possible and that they aren't a part of the series lore. Both of which you are miserably wrong about. Stop trying to save face.

[TheVedis]

Are you trying to be dense?



FACT: They're doing re-writes. If people expressed their interest it is certainly possible no matter which way you want to cut it.



I see your points - you keep saying its not possible and that they aren't a part of the series lore. Both of which you are miserably wrong about. Stop trying to save face.

you are still not reading what i am saying, i give up
look at EVERY word i wrote and dont pick and choose which ones you wanna see

[Vackashken]

you are still not reading what i am saying, i give up
look at EVERY word i wrote and dont pick and choose which ones you wanna see

I did and answered them accordingly. Don't know why anyone would get upset over this.

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