With notifications of class quests comin, can we have a more noticeable job tutorial?

[Legion88]

I'd say your specific point here with a tank is moot since you literally don't need a tank for any 4 man content...

This is a failure of the system and depends on player skill and overgearing.
Don't think to use this as an apologize.

Just reduce the job stone to an equipable item. What will you say to a player who has no body armour or no accessoires? A job stone gives you not only extra stats like a normal equipable item it gives you depending on your level and quests done, exclusive skills.

So we should handle a player above level 30 without a job stone like a player with just the half of his gear equipped.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I don't know how much it would help, but maybe your new job trainer(s) could be introduced to you at the end of the class questline. Adjust it so the job quest flag isn't with the job trainer, but with the guildmaster. You accept his quest(s) and run off to the job trainer. You then see a red triangle above the job trainer's head. You talk to the trainer and get told that you must be at least level 30 MRD and 15 GLA to continue the quest.

That way it gets your attention right away when you complete your final class quest, and you're able to learn enough of what you should do to continue.

[Felis]

I don't know how much it would help, but maybe your new job trainer(s) could be introduced to you at the end of the class questline. Adjust it so the job quest flag isn't with the job trainer, but with the guildmaster.

Uh, we have this already.
You finish the lv30 class quest and a new quest icon appears over the guildmaster. In that new quest you will meet your job teacher.

[Zojha]

Uh, we have this already.
You finish the lv30 class quest and a new quest icon appears over the guildmaster. In that new quest you will meet your job teacher.

Not for all classes mind you! I some cases it's the receptionist instead. (MNK and Scholar off the top of my head)

That's why I say: Put them "all" on the class trainer. And get rid of the sub-class requirement, because that way, it's available right when you hit 30, so it gets rid of the "Red quest" issue as well. Only way to "miss" them then is to not do the class quests at all.

[Awful]

I'd rather it be until you reach lvl 30 in the MSQ and it gives you a quest to your new job trainer or at the end of your lvl 30 class quest it tells you on the map where to go find them and they'll tell you that the player needs to get their sub class as well. It's funny that we're talking about this because I had a lvl 42 gladiator in Stone Vigil this week and died so fast on the first and second pull that the healer just gave up and left.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Well I guess people can still role play a class and simply not use any of their "job" skills if they removed classes or locked classes out of 30+ content. Really no matter how much it may tick people off there is no way you can ever stop this short of perma banning people and good luck with that. Also to all these arguments saying it's rude and selfish etc. for people to gimp themselves like this, I just wanna say you come off at least equally as selfish in your complaints. It's always they are slowing down MY run, wasting MY time, ruining MY experience. It's MY sub and I shouldn't have to play with these bad players. So much Me Me Me

[RyuRoots]

Players really should be forced to change into a job or be barred from participating in any post-40 content at all, I would say. Especially since there somehow ARE players who are dumb enough to think that a lv60 lancer instead of dragoon is a good idea, as an example. Classes are a worthless relic, and if they don't remove them, at least don't make old players have to put up with the dregs the unwashed masses who don't understand the system.