With notifications of class quests comin, can we have a more noticeable job tutorial?

[Zojha]

I would start with scratching the secondary class requirement for a job, then putting the job quest onto the class trainer so they can be picked up right as you finish your lvl 30 quest.

Should be enough, really. If there's still a large amount of newbies unable to find their way to a job, then you may consider locking MSQ or similar behind it.

[Legion88]

I would just delete the classes and let all start as a job and at 30 you get just a quest which leads you to your new job teacher.
Expand crossclassing to crossjobing and more just only 2 crossclasses/jobs.
Easy and clean.


I never understood how people can overlook the new quest in their class guild, they are also red/locked, that should make everyone curious...

[John_Henry]

I would just delete the classes and let all start as a job and at 30 you get just a quest which leads you to your new job teacher.
Expand crossclassing to crossjobing and more just only 2 crossclasses/jobs.
Easy and clean.


I never understood how people can overlook the new quest in their class guild, they are also red/locked, that should make everyone curious...

Well, maybe because most of the red quest you see while you do your leveling mean it's a crafting quest.

[Noxifer]

Well, maybe because most of the red quest you see while you do your leveling mean it's a crafting quest.

Um... actually, most red quests you see while levelling mean you're not high enough (level-wise) to accept them. And if you click on them, you get the "accept quest" window, explaining what you need to unlock the quest.

[Defias]

Honestly...I'd rather they remove classes and make them all Jobs period.

I realize that the game would need a Retcon. And I know Lore buffs (I am one) would resent that.

But honestly...classes are an unneeded remnant from 1.0's architecture that have done nothing but hinder the game and complicate adding new jobs, armory space, and etc.

I say Retcon the lore, turn Cross-Class skills into Cross Job skills (more useful cross abilities this way too.) and just remove classes period.

[Andrea]

If they decide to keep the classes with the previous jobs then I too believe that the MSQ should be locked at a stage until a player gets their job stone.

I also believe that come 50 the only way a player can use a class in a duty at all is to go in with a premade group.

I get that some find playing classes fun but you're simply gimping yourself and expect other 3/7 players to be ok with that?

[TheUltimateSeph]

If they decide to keep the classes with the previous jobs then I too believe that the MSQ should be locked at a stage until a player gets their job stone.

I also believe that come 50 the only way a player can use a class in a duty at all is to go in with a premade group.

I get that some find playing classes fun but you're simply gimping yourself and expect other 3/7 players to be ok with that?

You people act like vote kicking is so hard.

[Andrea]

You people act like vote kicking is so hard.

I queue up as a tank. I decide it'll be fun to go as a gladiator. I proceed to be kicked within 5 minutes of the dungeon starting.

Now lets say no one can get a friend to queue up. What happens then? wait god knows how long for a new tank, or back to the long as hell dps queues you go.

Why should I be forced to wait because someone thought it would be fun..?

[TheUltimateSeph]

I queue up as a tank. I decide it'll be fun to go as a gladiator. I proceed to be kicked within 5 minutes of the dungeon starting.

Now lets say no one can get a friend to queue up. What happens then? wait god knows how long for a new tank, or back to the long as hell dps queues you go.

Why should I be forced to wait because someone thought it would be fun..?

I'd say your specific point here with a tank is moot since you literally don't need a tank for any 4 man content if your healer and dps know how to dodge aoes and play efficiently. Hell just yesterday I queued in progress for Keeper of the Lake with two dps, one of whom was new and no tank. They were at the very start of the dungeon and we cleared it pretty fast with the new guy tanking practically the entire thing and we didn't wipe once. Bonus - he was a DRG. Don't really need a healer in most 4-man content either as long as at least one person has cure or physick cross-classed and the dps is high enough. People who insist upon waiting for a 4th person to join after someone leaves / gets kicked are holding themselves back. Not the person they chose to kick.


And really if the tank / healer / third dps isn't needed anyway why bother kicking them for playing on a class in the first place? Because you want to take a chance at getting someone who might be more efficient at their role? This is why I defend "lazy" play and "gimping" yourself. Because if they are actually contributing something to the party you have no one but yourself to blame when the run goes slower because your attitude towards them is bad or you kick them for their choice of playstyle. Can't wait till people follow your train of logic further down the tracks and start vote kicking people who's gear simply doesn't meet their standards.

[Andrea]

I'd say your specific point here with a tank is moot since you literally don't need a tank for any 4 man content if your healer and dps know how to dodge aoes and play efficiently.

1. You may not need a tank or a healer or even a fourth DPS at times if your party is competent. I know this. However to go into DF as a class just for the lols is rude. You simply cannot do the same damage as a class as you could a job.
2. It takes time to gear up. It takes almost no time at all once you hit 30 to get your job crystal. They are in no way at all similar.
3. Of course my attitude is going to be bad towards someone who is making stuff take even longer because they thought it was funny. Not even taking into consideration that they are effecting other people that didn't agree to it at all. Hell, I bet some people thought it was funny to run stuff with crafting/gathering gear on. Should I be ok with that too? of course I shouldn't, anyone with a brain would understand that.

I will admit though, I got a good laugh out of you trying to hide the fact your choose to gimp yourself by not equipping a job stone to someone who was still gearing up.