Please do something about Living Dead

[Pibz]

Anyone that jumps to this as fast as you did, does so because they really have no ground with their argument. Living Dead is fine as is, any GOOD healer has no problem with it, and any GOOD DRK knows when best to use it.

Yes because calling things by name is wrong i guess. And nevermind my non existing grounds that i have posted over like 10 different replies now.. Your reply on the other hand so much arguments and content and rebuttal of what i said, truly a great debater..

The same bad duty finder healers that let you die with living dead will also let you die if you're a war using holmgang, and there's a chance they'll even let you die after hallowed ground wears off too, it's life with DF.

Please tell me how someone dies through Hallowed . And any of you have yet to tell me how Holmgang is tougher to use besides "Oops i used it in aoe" which pretty much only happens if you are awful and it's 100% your own fault.

[Lambdafish]

Yes because calling things by name is wrong i guess.

"Anyone who disagrees with me, even with ample explanation, is a white knight" - Pibz, 2016

[Pibz]

"Anyone who disagrees with me, even with ample explanation, is a white knight" - Pibz, 2016

No, anyone who defends something just for the sake of defending is indeed a white knight. Why you people even care about the change if you dont even play the job is beyond me. And nice job ignoring the rest of what i wrote. Accusing me of straw manning while not providing any arguments or counter arguments to what i said , the irony is delicious i guess

I'm fighting a drove of "If it ain't totally broken why fix it" which is the typical response to anything in this forums

[Aryalandi]

No, anyone who defends something just for the sake of defending is indeed a white knight. Why you people even care about the change if you dont even play the job is beyond me. And nice job ignoring the rest of what i wrote. Accusing me of straw manning while not providing any arguments or counter arguments to what i said , the irony is delicious i guess

Except many people play dark knight and did give valid points, just because you do not agree with them does not make a persons point wrong. And vice versa, yet you claim that people who do not agree with you are just white knighting while you ignore their opinions and try to push your own as being the right and only one. That is why people persist in pushing the issue, it's insulting.

[Lambdafish]

No, anyone who defends something just for the sake of defending is indeed a white knight. Why you people even care about the change if you dont even play the job is beyond me. And nice job ignoring the rest of what i wrote. Accusing me of straw manning while not providing any arguments or counter arguments to what i said , the irony is delicious i guess

I'm fighting a drove of "If it ain't totally broken why fix it" which is the typical response to anything in this forums

1. I actually am levelling the job as we speak, and will be using it raids.
2. I don't need to provide any arguments, as others have done that and then some, I would only be repeating others sentiments.
3. I actually really like living dead as is, it could do with some tiny minor tweaks to do with when the heal hits (as stated by others), but thematically and functionally it fits with DRKs toolset, and provides a good mitigation tool that is on par with holmgang, but weaker (and cheaper) than hallowed.
4. Look back at this thread, not a single person has wholeheartedly shared your opinion, I think that says something about what you are saying and you should really evaluate that.

[Aryalandi]

Yes because calling things by name is wrong i guess. And nevermind my non existing grounds that i have posted over like 10 different replies now.. Your reply on the other hand so much arguments and content and rebuttal of what i said, truly a great debater..

-shrugs- calling people white knights does tend to imply that you are out of logical arguments, much like resorting to insults in general, if someone has to be insulting during a debate it is generally because they are frustrated and have nothing to say to prove their point. Or that they are simply immature.

Much like claiming you only resorted to insults because the previous person, its essentially the same as saying "i know you are but what am i"

[DeeColon]

Please tell me how someone dies through Hallowed .

Did you lose the ability to read now?

"after hallowed ground wears off too"

What do you think happens to the hallowed ground buff when that little 10 second timer expires?

[Pibz]

Did you lose the ability to read now?

"after hallowed ground wears off too"

What do you think happens to the hallowed ground buff when that little 10 second timer expires?

Yes people die if healers don't heal and they don't have any kind of invunerability on, what on earth does this have to do with the tank cds comparison?!

If hallowed was 10000s long people could still die after that absurd amount, by your logic it wouldn't be easier to manage (in THAT absurd scenario, im not in any way saying hallowed is op) either?!

[DeeColon]

Yes people die if healers don't heal and they don't have any kind of invunerability on, what on earth does this have to do with the tank cds comparison?!

Healers not healing is exactly how a DRK dies through Living Dead, hence I said, the healers that let you die through LD will let you die when you use your immunity no matter what tank you're playing, bads are bads.

[Pibz]

Healers not healing is exactly how a DRK dies through Living Dead, hence I said, the healers that let you die through LD will let you die when you use your immunity no matter what tank you're playing, bads are bads.

Yes and the issue is that the other 2 tank "ohcrap" abilities don't require anywhere near the same amount of coordination and healer involvement as Living dead is , in hallowed's case it requires none but that ok because it has the longest CD to counterbalance that, and thats the ONLY issue i have. Of course if you have a good team it can be managed. But again issue is,

Hallowed has the highest cd and no healer involvement required- fine because it has a really long cd timer;

Holmgang needs significantly more healer involvement but counter balances it by having a lower cd timer;

Living Dead requires the biggest amount of healer involvement, coordination and is still the 2nd largest cooldown timer. The only thing that it has going for it, is that if you manage to pull it off it's quite good for very niche situations, but this doesn't balance out the rest.