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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibz View Post
    The problem is that the other abilities don't require nearly as much "coordination" as living dead plain and simple. And basic psychology and design principles tell you that people nearly always prefer the easiest solution.
    Easier doesn't always mean superior, better, more likeable, or in any way better designed. It means easier. Unless it is causing you unreasonable suffering (by which i mean the majority of dark knights everywhere, not you specifically) and is useless it's not broken and thus does not need fixed.

    Should it cause issues for most dark knights however then yes it needs work. I'm not seeing it though, thats just me with my opinion having played and played with dark knights and yes as a healer aswell. I've never seen a dark knight complain about the job being painful except for jokes about them being masochists.

    Many people I've met prefer dark knight, i prefer paladin because I'm an addict for the classic sword and shield hero but dark knight has generally been fun to play minus occaaional bad moments that happen no matter what you play as.
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    Viera looks amazing
    Hrothgar looks amazing
    Shadowbringers looks amazing
    Everything looks amazing
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    .....
    So obviously it's all a trap and the world is factually coming to an end..

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    Player Ilitsa's Avatar
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    Ilitsa Samariya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibz View Post
    Stop white knighting ffs
    Anyone that jumps to this as fast as you did, does so because they really have no ground with their argument. Living Dead is fine as is, any GOOD healer has no problem with it, and any GOOD DRK knows when best to use it. Could it be better? Probably. But it's fine as it is, really
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    Last edited by Ilitsa; 02-20-2016 at 01:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilitsa View Post
    Anyone that jumps to this as fast as you did, does so because they really have no ground with their argument. Living Dead is fine as is, any GOOD healer has no problem with it, and any GOOD DRK knows when best to use it.
    Yes because calling things by name is wrong i guess. And nevermind my non existing grounds that i have posted over like 10 different replies now.. Your reply on the other hand so much arguments and content and rebuttal of what i said, truly a great debater..

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeColon View Post
    The same bad duty finder healers that let you die with living dead will also let you die if you're a war using holmgang, and there's a chance they'll even let you die after hallowed ground wears off too, it's life with DF.
    Please tell me how someone dies through Hallowed . And any of you have yet to tell me how Holmgang is tougher to use besides "Oops i used it in aoe" which pretty much only happens if you are awful and it's 100% your own fault.
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    Last edited by Pibz; 02-20-2016 at 01:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibz View Post
    Yes because calling things by name is wrong i guess.
    "Anyone who disagrees with me, even with ample explanation, is a white knight" - Pibz, 2016
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibz View Post
    Yes because calling things by name is wrong i guess. And nevermind my non existing grounds that i have posted over like 10 different replies now.. Your reply on the other hand so much arguments and content and rebuttal of what i said, truly a great debater..
    -shrugs- calling people white knights does tend to imply that you are out of logical arguments, much like resorting to insults in general, if someone has to be insulting during a debate it is generally because they are frustrated and have nothing to say to prove their point. Or that they are simply immature.

    Much like claiming you only resorted to insults because the previous person, its essentially the same as saying "i know you are but what am i"
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    Viera looks amazing
    Hrothgar looks amazing
    Shadowbringers looks amazing
    Everything looks amazing
    ....
    .....
    So obviously it's all a trap and the world is factually coming to an end..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibz View Post


    Please tell me how someone dies through Hallowed .

    Did you lose the ability to read now?

    "after hallowed ground wears off too"

    What do you think happens to the hallowed ground buff when that little 10 second timer expires?
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    Just make the Dark Knight survive if it received 25%-50% healing of HP total. Problem solved. Everyone is happy.
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    The OP is exactly right! Living dead takes a tonne more co-ordination as you need to tell the healer to heal you... except they already should be. Oh right they aren't healing you enough, you need to tell them that your immanent death is coming. What? you can make a text macro? They might not see it. What? you can add a sound effect? oh... what was the point I was making?

    In all seriousness, LD is mostly used in raiding, in which case the communication and heals should already be there. Like others have said, Holmgang is harder to pull off. I think the problem is that the OP doesn't know how to LD efficiently and keeps dying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    The OP is exactly right! Living dead takes a tonne more co-ordination as you need to tell the healer to heal you... except they already should be. Oh right they aren't healing you enough, you need to tell them that your immanent death is coming. What? you can make a text macro? They might not see it. What? you can add a sound effect? oh... what was the point I was making?

    In all seriousness, LD is mostly used in raiding, in which case the communication and heals should already be there. Like others have said, Holmgang is harder to pull off. I think the problem is that the OP doesn't know how to LD efficiently and keeps dying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
    Non drk mains (you don't even have it leveled ffs) coming here to tell me they know more about my class than i do, this forums never cease to amaze me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pibz View Post
    Non drk mains (you don't even have it leveled ffs) coming here to tell me they know more about my class than i do, this forums never cease to amaze me.
    ??? My DRK is 54, you get LD at 50, I work with a DRK in my raid static. Please don't insult my intelligence, or do I need to point out that you are talking about Holmgang even though you haven't levelled WAR fully.
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 02-20-2016 at 12:50 AM.

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