Thread: 3.2 Astrologian Changes

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

It kinda sucks he admits that openly. Between the AST tweaks given in this patch and the VIT/STR changes for tanks, I've sadly lost every confidence in Yoshi-P and his dev team to balance the game properly --; I hope that changes over time - all they're doing right now is giving AST more raw power without actually changing their healing identity. And with Yoshi's comments above, he and his team even compares Noct AST to SCH and his comments is true - it's hard to argue against a pet that basically says "heal for 4,000 potency over the course of a minute at 0 MP and GCD consumption from my master" and buffing Noct AST to hit those kinda values would just be silly and most likely game breaking.

I guess it's pretty indicative too considering when this forum last looked at A4S clear rates, I believe there was literally only a single clear with a Noct AST according to FFLogs.

Astrologian is a class, Nocturnal is a skill that the class has access to. Astrologian needs to be balanced. A Noct Astro is not an actual thing. You are speaking of it as if it's it's own thing that needs separately balanced and equally as viable, which simply isn't true. Astro is a great main healer. The next healer added should probably be a superior off healer. Astro doesn't need to be both.

Originally Posted by Sidra

Astrologian is a class, Nocturnal is a skill that the class has access to. Astrologian needs to be balanced. A Noct Astro is not an actual thing. You are speaking of it as if it's it's own thing that needs separately balanced and equally as viable, which simply isn't true. Astro is a great main healer. The next healer added should probably be a superior off healer. Astro doesn't need to be both.

We've had this discussion in the past, you're not going to convince me of this while the game basically tells you Astrologian has two unique and different healing paradigms and thus fundamentally different from most "situational skills" that you've argued in the past.

I'm agreeing to disagree again.

Though I'm not even sure why you think I'm saying they need to buff Noct in that post. I'm just saying that I've lost confidence in Yoshi-P and his dev team's ability to balance the game because of both the VIT/STR changes on tanks and the AST tweaks given to their MP management. I only mentioned Noct in this post because of the translated comment Yoshi-P said in the post I was replying to and adding my own two cents about it as it seems like my thought process behind Nocturnal matches his.

Originally Posted by Sidra

Astrologian is a class, Nocturnal is a skill that the class has access to. Astrologian needs to be balanced. A Noct Astro is not an actual thing. You are speaking of it as if it's it's own thing that needs separately balanced and equally as viable, which simply isn't true. Astro is a great main healer. The next healer added should probably be a superior off healer. Astro doesn't need to be both.

Actually i disagree with you here. The difference is playstyle and functional role in a raid group between a Diurnal Sect Astrologian and a Nocturnal Sect Astrologian is more a difference in kind than a difference in degree. Nocturnal and Diurnal have to be balanced separately and to such an extent that they both function in their relative healing niches. If they arent, then there is little to no point in the class possessing the sect that can not function properly. Balance has to be done for both to function equally if both sects are being kept in game.

Originally Posted by Sidra

Astrologian is a class, Nocturnal is a skill that the class has access to. Astrologian needs to be balanced. A Noct Astro is not an actual thing. You are speaking of it as if it's it's own thing that needs separately balanced and equally as viable, which simply isn't true. Astro is a great main healer. The next healer added should probably be a superior off healer. Astro doesn't need to be both.

I have to disagree too. Noct Astro is a thing simple because of design of the Sect system. You have to make a conscious choice before the encounter on how you want to play which, as I said previously, is a bad game design. I think Ghishlain is also on the right path with having Sect tied to our card system rather than a healing tool box.