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    If you don't understand the enmity changes, you probably never did Savage as (or with) an AST.
    Never had problem on a1/2/3 S and Thordan extrem. So you can keep your argument.

    The enmity change is welcome.

    This would vary from tank to tank. Tanks pushing the limits of their damage output would try and stay out of their tank stance as much as possible. As long they're always on the top of the enmity list, they can afford staying out of tank stance and thus contribute more damage. In contrast, tanks staying in their respective tank stance would build up a greater enmity ceiling, but contribute less damage.
    It depend also if you are over healing or not and if you are using correctly your Aether at the right time. So you can have tanks pushing limits of their damage and get no problem. In contrast, some tanks staying in their respective tank stance and lose agro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamoNanamo View Post
    Never had problem on a1/2/3 S and Thordan extrem.
    This would vary from tank to tank. Tanks pushing the limits of their damage output would try and stay out of their tank stance as much as possible. As long they're always on the top of the enmity list, they can afford staying out of tank stance and thus contribute more damage. In contrast, tanks staying in their respective tank stance would build up a greater enmity ceiling, but contribute less damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamoNanamo View Post
    Never had problem on a1/2/3 S and Thordan extrem.
    That's good for you, but doesn't really mean anything. Evidently it was an issue on the whole otherwise the devs wouldn't have felt they needed to address it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeliAiko View Post
    That's good for you, but doesn't really mean anything. Evidently it was an issue on the whole otherwise the devs wouldn't have felt they needed to address it.
    I'm sure they did the change for a good reason.
    But maybe for the next savage ? I don't care and it's always welcome.
    That's not the point anw. I wast just pointing that if someone doesn't agree/understand with you doesn't mean he didn't do Savage. Unless you got some scientist fact that prove your point, you don't need to say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamoNanamo View Post
    I'm sure they did the change for a good reason.
    But maybe for the next savage ? I don't care and it's always welcome.
    That's not the point anw. I wast just pointing that if someone doesn't agree/understand with you doesn't mean he didn't do Savage. Unless you got some scientist fact that prove your point, you don't need to say that.
    AST's enmity issues have been well known and documented since Heavensward. Initially it wasn't a big problem because of their lower potency heals, but when those got raised to WHM levels it magnified the issue. Not my fault if this is news to you, or the person who felt it wasn't some pressing issue to address.
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    For what it's worth, AST hate issues was a very hot topic on the JP healer sub-forums (well, on the AST thread because they tend to keep everything job related in a single thread instead of making one for every thought that crosses their mind). I've seen it mentionned much more than on the EN sub-forums.

    You don't need to look any further if you need a reason why it's been adjusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeliAiko View Post
    AST's enmity issues have been well known and documented since Heavensward. Initially it wasn't a big problem because of their lower potency heals, but when those got raised to WHM levels it magnified the issue. Not my fault if this is news to you, or the person who felt it wasn't some pressing issue to address.
    Like I said, It doesn't matter to me if Ast got problem on enmity or not. My point wasn't on that. So be gentle, read carefully.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirili View Post
    It looks like a lot, but that's a maximum of three extra tics. I think one more tic, if extended? But that buff (forget its name at the moment) is on a long cooldown.

    It definitely helps alleviate issues for the most MP-starved healer, but it hardly tips the scales. You still have Assize and Freecure. No need to feel threatened.
    I would like to see how much MP regen you got with Aether+Co+Ewer.
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