Thread: 3.2 Patch Notes

Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Please stop dictating what is and isn't everyone's job - the party's job is just to get through the dungeon. That's it. There is nothing more to it. How fast/slow they do so just depends on the people in the group and what they feel comfortable doing or are able to do.

It's everyone's job when grouping up in any content to see how to maximize their role in clearing the content. That is to use whatever skills your class has as best as possible to complete the duty. Some aren't needed in easier content but they are still helpful in doing so. If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.

Originally Posted by DGladius

It's everyone's job when grouping up in any content to see how to maximize their role in clearing the content. That is to use whatever skills your class has as best as possible to complete the duty. Some aren't needed in easier content but they are still helpful in doing so. If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.

^This, if you join a team, you should contribute and help that team.

Originally Posted by DGladius

It's everyone's job when grouping up in any content to see how to maximize their role in clearing the content. That is to use whatever skills your class has as best as possible to complete the duty. Some aren't needed in easier content but they are still helpful in doing so. If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.

It's everyone's job to simply play their role and clear the content. There is no min/maxing unless it's hardcore stuff, all that maximizing a role does is shave off some time in the content. And frankly so long as everyone is performing their job properly, I see no point in forcing people to do more than they can/want to. And when I say properly, I mean dps doing damage, tanks keeping aggro, and healers making sure no one drops on the floor - and everyone actually performing the mechanics, which includes dodging AoEs.

Beyond that, it's up to the individual how well they decide to expand on their base role and duties. If that means for a healer to dps a bit between heals, go for it. But it isn't required and the attitude everyone has now with demanding healers play a dps role when that isn't their job description is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

It's everyone's job to simply play their role and clear the content. There is no min/maxing unless it's hardcore stuff, all that maximizing a role does is shave off some time in the content. And frankly so long as everyone is performing their job properly, I see no point in forcing people to do more than they can/want to. And when I say properly, I mean dps doing damage, tanks keeping aggro, and healers making sure no one drops on the floor - and everyone actually performing the mechanics, which includes dodging AoEs.

Beyond that, it's up to the individual how well they decide to expand on their base role and duties. If that means for a healer to dps a bit between heals, go for it. But it isn't required and the attitude everyone has now with demanding healers play a dps role when that isn't their job description is ridiculous.

That really depends, if for example one dps is contributing less than would be required to do content, or is hampering the other three in the team, they should pick up the pace.

You are in a team, and you have to make some compromises as part of that team. If that means, the high end min/maxer being ok with someone doing acceptable, but not max damage, that is what it takes, but, at the same time, the Ice Mage should use a proper rotation to get through.

Generally in DF I go by the games meta, it is the most common goal. If I want to take it slow, and explore, I will create a team to do it with, rather than joining roulette and looking at all the pretty scenery while others are trying to get through.

Its fairly easy to get a read on what your teams goal is in the course of a run and everyone should make compromises towards that goal.

One point though, the high end min/maxer does not hamper the team by performing well in their role, the Ice Mage does.

Originally Posted by DGladius

If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.

If a healer not dpsing is going to slow down the group that much then there is more wrong with the group as a whole then the just the healer not dpsing.

Originally Posted by Lexia

If a healer not dpsing is going to slow down the group that much then there is more wrong with the group as a whole then the just the healer not dpsing.

That is faulty logic. A healer not DPSing will slow down a group, whether there are other problems or not.

Originally Posted by Kaurie

That is faulty logic. A healer not DPSing will slow down a group, whether there are other problems or not.

I think thats looking at a glass for being half empty...

A Healer that DPSs speeds the group progress.
A Healer that doesn't DPS doesn't speed, neither slow downs the group progress.
A Healer that fails to heal and causes either a wipe or partial wipe slows down the group progress.

Originally Posted by Arkenne

I think thats looking at a glass for being half empty...

A Healer that DPSs speeds the group progress.
A Healer that doesn't DPS doesn't speed, neither slow downs the group progress.
A Healer that fails to heal and causes either a wipe or partial wipe slows down the group progress.

Relative to DPSing, it slows down the run. Relative to not DPSing, DPS speeds up the run. It has nothing to do with pessimism and optimism, it has to do with relative to the topic. We were discussing comparative values to DPSing in a run. In this sense, not DPSing slows down the run.

A healer that sucks wasn't really part of the discussion.

Originally Posted by Darkstride

And a healer that has spare time to jump around while the rest of the party fights is just plain annoying lol.

Well, yea, I can't deny that.

Originally Posted by Kaurie

Relative to DPSing, it slows down the run. Relative to not DPSing, DPS speeds up the run. It has nothing to do with pessimism and optimism, it has to do with relative to the topic. We were discussing comparative values to DPSing in a run. In this sense, not DPSing slows down the run.

A healer that sucks wasn't really part of the discussion.

Theeeeen I have to read from a bit behind...

Originally Posted by Kaurie

That is faulty logic. A healer not DPSing will slow down a group, whether there are other problems or not.

Yea cause that all people care about is speed speed speed.