3.2 Patch Notes

**Warlyx** · 02-21-2016 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Half the time I never have Foe's up in a group with no mages because I'm there assuming the healer will primarily focus on their main job - which is healing. Just as I primarily focus on my main job, which is dpsing - until such a time as I need to use one of my support skills to assist someone (usually the healer) with regenerative abilities.

I'd be casting MP song so the healer has enough MP to actually heal the tank, rather than encouraging them to keep dpsing and ignoring the tank's heal by having Foe's up.

And once again, I can easily make up for the hit a Ballad takes on my damage by popping cooldowns when I have to drop into it. Most of the time I rarely have to keep Ballad up for more than a few seconds before the healer's good on MP and I can turn it off and return to doing my highest output.

healer dps is actually very competitive, add FOE + BV (+20% dmg ) .....is not like u need to heal all the time , healing 4 mans is boring as hell , i despise dpsing on my healer i would prefer having things to heal and what not, thats why im playing healer in the 1 place....but oh well thats another issue ..u dont need to heal all the time ...and while jumping/dancing around the tank and dps while they fight a boss is fun for a while lol ....dpsing and killing the mobs faster and finishing the duty at hand sooner is important for all the 4(8) members.

if your healer isnt dpsing yeah dont waste your time on Foe , hell maybe try to talk to him/her....want to dps? i can put foe + BV for u if u want

(for sure he/she will feel special oh u will sing just for me?

,and will say hell yeah! ) , and there u go all the 4 going town and kill the boss faster

edit : sorry if sounded "harsh" on my post not my intention at all ^^U /thumbs up /cheer

**Kaoru_Nagisa** · 02-21-2016 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Warlyx

im sorry but u are doing it wrong :/ , healer dps is actually very competitive, add FOE + BV (+20% dmg ) .....is not like u need to heal all the time , healing 4 mans is boring as hell ,

if your healer isnt dpsing yeah dont waste your time on Foe , hell maybe try to talk to him/her....want to dps? i can put foe + BV for u if u want

(for sure he/she will feel special oh u will sing just for me?

,and will say hell yeah! ) , and there u go all the 4 going town and kill the boss faster

There is absolutely no reason for a healer to prioritize dpsing over their primary job, which is healing. I am not the one playing my class wrong in the case of not putting up Foe's for an overzealous healer who's putting the party at risk by acting as if they're a crappy black mage - they are.

And I am also not going to badger a healer into dpsing if they are not doing so - most of the time it isn't necessary, and every healer has their own reasons for wanting to avoid dpsing or at least avoid dropping into CS. I'm not going to bug an obviously-not-interested healer into doing something that isn't part of their job description.

I'm starting to be happier to have switched to summoner as my alt's main class - people are becoming almost ridiculous when it comes to what a bard should and shouldn't do.

**Warlyx** · 02-21-2016 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

There is absolutely no reason for a healer to prioritize dpsing over their primary job, which is healing. I am not the one playing my class wrong in the case of not putting up Foe's for an overzealous healer who's putting the party at risk by acting as if they're a crappy black mage - they are.

And I am also not going to badger a healer into dpsing if they are not doing so - most of the time it isn't necessary, and every healer has their own reasons for wanting to avoid dpsing or at least avoid dropping into CS. I'm not going to bug an obviously-not-interested healer into doing something that isn't part of their job description.

yeah i see what u are saying ...i have been there too , i understand healers not wanting to dps (kinda agree somehow with the feeling) , and u cant force them to dps if they just refuse to do so....but asking doesnt hurt !

<foe requiem> + <battle voice> <you can have this!> , <cleric stance> <yes, please!> :3 , and more than half go dps mode

, sometimes it works ^^

what i tried to say is that, if a healer goes out of mp because dpsing ...that isnt your fault , u arent there to be a mp battery for a overzealous healer that goes all out dpsing and forgets to heal...ballad wont save u in that scenario :P nothing will to be fair outside the party wiping and healer gasp...healing

**Kaoru_Nagisa** · 02-21-2016 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Warlyx

u cant force them to dps if they just refuse to do so....but asking doesnt hurt !

<foe requiem> + <battle voice> <you can have this!> , <cleric stance> <yes, please!> :3 , and more than half go dps mode

, sometimes it works ^^

what i tried to say is that, if a healer goes out of mp because dpsing ...that isnt your fault , u arent there to be a mp battery for a overzealous healer that goes all out dpsing and forgets to heal...ballad wont save u in that scenario :P nothing will to be fair outside the party wiping and healer gasp...healing

It isn't a fact of whether it's working or not - it's the fact that I am not going to ask something of a healer that they are by no means required to do. It'd be like someone coming to me on my summoner and demanding I heal and res people just so the healer doesn't have to - just because I still have access to those skills does not mean I should be asked or forced to use them. And it'd be the same as people demanding I play healer on a class that is not a healer - just as people keep wanting to demand healers play dps on a class that is not a dps. It's ridiculous and pointless in non-hardcore content, and I'm not going to be a part of it.

And I know it isn't my fault if a healer runs low on MP because they focus more on dpsing than healing - but I still do not like wiping, and I have been able to allow a healer to keep the tank alive after they ran dry on MP just by way of playing Ballad for a few seconds so they could throw out a heal. Usually if a healer keeps doing that sort of behavior, however, I just refuse to give them MP song. At that point they're just being counterproductive to everyone.

Originally Posted by DGladius

It's the whole party/raid job to output the most party/raid wide dps as possible. While it's not needed especially for healers to dps in dungeons and other easy content, they are absolutely able dish out loads of damage particularly in trash pulls meaning things die faster and less healing is needed if done properly. I don't think anyone said for a healer to prioritize dpsing over healing. But healers are able to do both effectively with no problems. Again, if tp/mp is not needed than it's not needed clear as that.

Please stop dictating what is and isn't everyone's job - the party's job is just to get through the dungeon. That's it. There is nothing more to it. How fast/slow they do so just depends on the people in the group and what they feel comfortable doing or are able to do.

**DGladius** · 02-21-2016 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Please stop dictating what is and isn't everyone's job - the party's job is just to get through the dungeon. That's it. There is nothing more to it. How fast/slow they do so just depends on the people in the group and what they feel comfortable doing or are able to do.

It's everyone's job when grouping up in any content to see how to maximize their role in clearing the content. That is to use whatever skills your class has as best as possible to complete the duty. Some aren't needed in easier content but they are still helpful in doing so. If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.

**Whiteroom** · 02-21-2016 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by DGladius

It's everyone's job when grouping up in any content to see how to maximize their role in clearing the content. That is to use whatever skills your class has as best as possible to complete the duty. Some aren't needed in easier content but they are still helpful in doing so. If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.

^This, if you join a team, you should contribute and help that team.

**Kaoru_Nagisa** · 02-21-2016 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by DGladius

It's everyone's job when grouping up in any content to see how to maximize their role in clearing the content. That is to use whatever skills your class has as best as possible to complete the duty. Some aren't needed in easier content but they are still helpful in doing so. If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.

It's everyone's job to simply play their role and clear the content. There is no min/maxing unless it's hardcore stuff, all that maximizing a role does is shave off some time in the content. And frankly so long as everyone is performing their job properly, I see no point in forcing people to do more than they can/want to. And when I say properly, I mean dps doing damage, tanks keeping aggro, and healers making sure no one drops on the floor - and everyone actually performing the mechanics, which includes dodging AoEs.

Beyond that, it's up to the individual how well they decide to expand on their base role and duties. If that means for a healer to dps a bit between heals, go for it. But it isn't required and the attitude everyone has now with demanding healers play a dps role when that isn't their job description is ridiculous.

**Whiteroom** · 02-21-2016 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

It's everyone's job to simply play their role and clear the content. There is no min/maxing unless it's hardcore stuff, all that maximizing a role does is shave off some time in the content. And frankly so long as everyone is performing their job properly, I see no point in forcing people to do more than they can/want to. And when I say properly, I mean dps doing damage, tanks keeping aggro, and healers making sure no one drops on the floor - and everyone actually performing the mechanics, which includes dodging AoEs.

Beyond that, it's up to the individual how well they decide to expand on their base role and duties. If that means for a healer to dps a bit between heals, go for it. But it isn't required and the attitude everyone has now with demanding healers play a dps role when that isn't their job description is ridiculous.

That really depends, if for example one dps is contributing less than would be required to do content, or is hampering the other three in the team, they should pick up the pace.

You are in a team, and you have to make some compromises as part of that team. If that means, the high end min/maxer being ok with someone doing acceptable, but not max damage, that is what it takes, but, at the same time, the Ice Mage should use a proper rotation to get through.

Generally in DF I go by the games meta, it is the most common goal. If I want to take it slow, and explore, I will create a team to do it with, rather than joining roulette and looking at all the pretty scenery while others are trying to get through.

Its fairly easy to get a read on what your teams goal is in the course of a run and everyone should make compromises towards that goal.

One point though, the high end min/maxer does not hamper the team by performing well in their role, the Ice Mage does.

**Lexia** · 02-21-2016 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by DGladius

If people don't put in effort, it will just slow the party down which is commonly seen in people playing dps who play as if they don't care as an example.

If a healer not dpsing is going to slow down the group that much then there is more wrong with the group as a whole then the just the healer not dpsing.

**Kaurie** · 02-21-2016 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Lexia

If a healer not dpsing is going to slow down the group that much then there is more wrong with the group as a whole then the just the healer not dpsing.

That is faulty logic. A healer not DPSing will slow down a group, whether there are other problems or not.

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