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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    .... That makes no sense. When has playing a song ever caused a wipe? I've never seen it myself - I don't even know how that'd be possible in non-hardcore content. If a party wipes just because a Bard turned on Mage's Ballad, I think the issue lies with the group itself rather than just the bard.
    Look, I am not trying to attack your play. I am simply trying to give you another perspective.

    As for your question, I've never seen Ballad prevent a wipe outside of a raid either. Both are possible and both are uncommon. A bard turning on ballad loses 1 GCD + a 20% damage reduction, which is a fairly significant damage loss. If it's close, that damage could mean the difference between clearing and not. Though again, both are pretty rare circumstances and I've never witnessed either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Look, I am not trying to attack your play. I am simply trying to give you another perspective.

    As for your question, I've never seen Ballad prevent a wipe outside of a raid either. Both are possible and both are implausible. A bard turning on ballad loses 1 GCD + a 20% damage reduction, which is a fairly significant damage loss. If it's close, that damage could mean the difference between clearing and not. Though again, both are pretty rare circumstances and I've never witnessed either.
    I didn't think you were, I was just a bit flabbergasted at the thought that Ballad could ever cause a wipe. I have seen it prevent wipes, however (if by a very narrow margin). As for the damage loss, as I keep saying - that's what cooldowns are good for, making up some lost damage when necessary, in addition to heightening regular damage when not singing.

    Usually the sort of thing you're speaking of is only an issue in the harder content such as EX primals/Thordan and Alexander, though. I've never seen a bard dropping into a song completely screw over a group's dps in non-hardcore content - and frankly since I avoid Alexander like the plague, I don't feel the issues you're speaking of apply to my everyday dungeon runs, is all I'm saying.
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    I wasn't attempting to apply them to you, I was trying to correct your bold statement about the healer. You mentioned how a healer asked you to stop playing ballad as if that was some crazy thing and they suck, when it quite possibly isn't the case. I thought providing you with multiple perspectives might help you realize that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    I wasn't attempting to apply them to you, I was trying to correct your bold statement about the healer. You mentioned how a healer asked you to stop playing ballad as if that was some crazy thing and they suck, when it quite possibly isn't the case. I thought providing you with multiple perspectives might help you realize that.
    I understand, and I apologize if I came off as if I was denying your points - it was simply in those cases, I had reason enough to believe it was a case of the healer being crazy, rather than having their MP management under control. As I later stated in response to someone else, usually if a healer tells me they don't need Ballad anymore after I've had it up for few seconds for them, I usually turn it off out of the assumption they're at a point they can manage their healing properly and/or are able to use their own MP regeneration abilities to help them the rest of the way.

    It also usually depends on the healer I'm with at the time - I mentioned that I usually don't... "babysit"? I guess is the word, scholars as much because I know from experience that scholar has the best MP management of all three healers. I usually can see when the healer is right in that I can turn off Ballad, and when it's a matter of them being very questionable with telling me not to sing. I'm sorry about any confusion that came up, as I was speaking primarily of a few cases I'd seen where I felt it wasn't justified to tell me to turn off Ballad, is all!
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