Thread: 3.2 Patch Notes

Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

It's everyone's job to simply play their role and clear the content. There is no min/maxing unless it's hardcore stuff, all that maximizing a role does is shave off some time in the content. And frankly so long as everyone is performing their job properly, I see no point in forcing people to do more than they can/want to. And when I say properly, I mean dps doing damage, tanks keeping aggro, and healers making sure no one drops on the floor - and everyone actually performing the mechanics, which includes dodging AoEs.

Beyond that, it's up to the individual how well they decide to expand on their base role and duties. If that means for a healer to dps a bit between heals, go for it. But it isn't required and the attitude everyone has now with demanding healers play a dps role when that isn't their job description is ridiculous.

That really depends, if for example one dps is contributing less than would be required to do content, or is hampering the other three in the team, they should pick up the pace.

You are in a team, and you have to make some compromises as part of that team. If that means, the high end min/maxer being ok with someone doing acceptable, but not max damage, that is what it takes, but, at the same time, the Ice Mage should use a proper rotation to get through.

Generally in DF I go by the games meta, it is the most common goal. If I want to take it slow, and explore, I will create a team to do it with, rather than joining roulette and looking at all the pretty scenery while others are trying to get through.

Its fairly easy to get a read on what your teams goal is in the course of a run and everyone should make compromises towards that goal.

One point though, the high end min/maxer does not hamper the team by performing well in their role, the Ice Mage does.

Originally Posted by Lexia

Yea cause that all people care about is speed speed speed.

This has nothing to do with your statement. You said, that if a run is going slower by a healer not DPSing (relative to a healer DPSing) there is something wrong. That makes 0 sense, of course a healer DPSing will speed things up.

A healer can comfortably contribute to 15% of the damage of a run (often more, sometimes less, it all relates to the skill of the healer, class of the healer and skill/class of the others present). In this sense, do you find that 15% is insignificant in other aspects of your life? Such as, someone driving 15% slower than the speed limit on the highway? Perhaps a flight that took 15% longer to reach its destination. Maybe a 15% increase on your pay cheque? IMO these are all pretty significant, 15% is nothing to scoff at.

If you do want to get into a conversation about skill, well, I don't really care. I am going to play healer, so I won't be queued with you healing and not DPSing. If you choose to aspire for mediocrity then that is your business.

This thread as of the last 3 pages:

Originally Posted by Kaurie

This has nothing to do with your statement. You said, that if a run is going slower by a healer not DPSing (relative to a healer DPSing) there is something wrong. That makes 0 sense, of course a healer DPSing will speed things up.

A healer can comfortably contribute to 15% of the damage of a run (often more, sometimes less, it all relates to the skill of the healer, class of the healer and skill/class of the others present). In this sense, do you find that 15% is insignificant in other aspects of your life? Such as, someone driving 15% slower than the speed limit on the highway? Perhaps a flight that took 15% longer to reach its destination. Maybe a 15% increase on your pay cheque? IMO these are all pretty significant, 15% is nothing to scoff at.

If you do want to get into a conversation about skill, well, I don't really care. I am going to play healer, so I won't be queued with you healing and not DPSing. If you choose to aspire for mediocrity then that is your business.

Not like this game going to get a person any where in life anyways.

Why is the title of this thread the 3.2 patch notes, I thought this thread about was bard songs and healer dps

Originally Posted by Kaurie

This has nothing to do with your statement. You said, that if a run is going slower by a healer not DPSing (relative to a healer DPSing) there is something wrong. That makes 0 sense, of course a healer DPSing will speed things up.

Im trying to read the other stuff but I think you didn't get my point before either O_o;;

Yes, with you doing DPS as a healer you speed things up, but, if you aren't DPSing as a healer don't think of it as "slowing things down", because you are still doing your job as a healer. Not DPSing as a Healer but neither letting people die is a middleground.

Its not mediocrity for a healer to want to heal. Tho I have to agree that if the Healer is plenty skillful at healing already, jumping out of their comfort zone in order to DPS would be pretty welcome.

Originally Posted by Slappah

Why is the title of this thread the 3.2 patch notes, I thought this thread about was bard songs and healer dps

I agree, I am sorry that I contributed to this derailing - same thing on the bard topic and on Senpai (lol). Let's get back to the 3.2 notes, but first I want to reply to Arkenne.

Originally Posted by Arkenne

Im trying to read the other stuff but I think you didn't get my point before either O_o;;

Yes, with you doing DPS as a healer you speed things up, but, if you aren't DPSing as a healer don't think of it as "slowing things down", because you are still doing your job as a healer. Not DPSing as a Healer but neither letting people die is a middleground.

Its not mediocrity for a healer to want to heal. Tho I have to agree that if the Healer is plenty skillful at healing already, jumping out of their comfort zone in order to DPS would be pretty welcome.

I think you misunderstood my post. I was replying to a statement that said a Healer not dpsing vs dpsing won't slow down the run. I was correcting in that a healer not DPSing relative to DPSing is slowing down the run. I was not saying blindly a healer not DPSing is slowing down the run. I am using the terms in a relative context here to correct someone who made an illogical statement.

Its not mediocrity for a healer to want to heal.

In that I disagree. And to clarify, mediocre is not the same thing as sucking. I am not saying healers who don't DPS are bad, they just are not good. They are mediocre.

Originally Posted by Whiteroom

How does that apply to the point she made, aside from coming close to the "Tic Tac Toe" img?

Cause they trying to apply RL instances to in game ones but I will step away from this topic as it not what the thread is about.

Originally Posted by Kaurie

first I want to reply to Arkenne.

Sorry, won't digress more either, but sadly we didn't get to an agreement :/
Best regards!!