New Prelim Tank updates

[Sarcatica]

I'm just sad because I'll no longer feel exclusive as PLD, since everyone will now be playing as PLD again, then I may have to go back to NIN if so (hope me getting Almace and Ancile wasn't for nothing).

Wait, I don't get it. PLD being exclusive to you is quite invalid considering PLD has been popular because of how "easy" it is to use. It's like "BEING WAR DOESN'T FEEL EXCLUSIVE TO ME ANYMORE". Quite asinine if I have to say.

[Alphras]

The problem is that PLD and DRK compete with each other, while WAR complements both.

Barring any class destroying nerfs, WAR is pretty much set for the rest of 3.x (similar to BRD in 2.x, although not as much).

[DBelmont]

If Grit is still on the GCD and costs MP, simply not interrupting combos is barely considered a buff in my eyes. The only time when I felt like I wished the combos were not interrupted was when I turned on Grit for A1S tank buster.

I personally don't find the MP cost as bad as the GCD. At least in the case of the MP cost we are dealing with resource management. However, with the GCD, it's almost always a loss regardless of how you manage it for yourself.

From a general change PoV, assuming that VIT will be weaker that 3.15 STR, I can see us being forced into Grit a lot more to compensate. I was expecting that change but was also expecting some WAR-like stance-dancing. Maybe it is intended to have DRKs stay fully on Grit on head-on tanking for both aggro and mitigation given that the content won't be aggression focused.

Have to see, but I cannot help being a bit disappointed due to the fact that PLD/DRK stances will most likely stay on the GCD. :/

[Alphras]

Putting Grit/ShO of the gcd without any other changes would just be to strong. There needs to be a oportunity cost associated with switching stances.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I don't main tank by any means, but I do play WAR and will be 60 DRK very soon, and I'm still excited about these changes.

[Shurrikhan]

But... Goring Blade was already plenty powerful?...

Guess we're still supposed to use RoH only for debuff on emergencies.

...PLD under worse TP constraints than DRK = give DRK NIN/MNK TP costs on their edgy combos. Left PLD with just the combo opener change.

also: Monk needed more dps? AST PvP death. RIP Paeon. Should I Ballad my SMN for more dps? NIN already under worse dummy-fight TP constraints than MNK = reduce its TP costs, leave MNK at higher TP costs than DRK.


tldr; do they actively dislike enmity combos? And this change hardly makes Grit or especially Oaths seem less clunky.

[ruskie]

Should I Ballad my SMN for more dps?

Remember you should use both ballad and foe for all your SMN buddies... -_-

[Reynhart]

But... Goring Blade was already plenty powerful?...

Considering what Goring Blade "costs" compared to the other two "500+ potency skills", it's not THAT poweful.
Fell Cleave is a one time 500 potency skill, while Goring Blade need its full duration to be only slightly higher.
Scourge is a a DoT that you can put on multiple targets successively, while Goring Blade requires a full combo.

Regarding this, I think it's fair that the potency is now clearly higher.

[Shurrikhan]

Considering what Goring Blade "costs" compared to the other two "500+ potency skills", it's not THAT poweful.
Fell Cleave is a one time 500 potency skill, while Goring Blade need its full duration to be only slightly higher.
Scourge is a a DoT that you can put on multiple targets successively, while Goring Blade requires a full combo.

Regarding this, I think it's fair that the potency is now clearly higher.

Especially when you consider that mass-GBing is the only thing we have close to "AoE". Just expected that the dps buffs would come in a different form that this flat ShO change and GB. Like... maybe... an AoE? Or the highly-requested RoH buffs?

It's kind of like how I don't understand why DRK, which has very few TP problems if able to Blood Weapon (and can Unmend at the worst), now has nearly the TP consumption of a Monk if he doesn't use his enmity combos. It just seems strange and unnecessary. (Or why NIN, which consumes less TP than a Monk, was given further TP reductions while Monk was not.)

(Delirium/Souleater combo = total 170 TP. Monk combos will equal 160/170. Same as Goring Blade, but without a DoT holding it back to every third combo.)

[SpookyGhost]

also: Monk needed more dps?

MNK/PLD/WAR should be a pretty interesting combo. Trade Reprisal for 10% STR down and DV, essentially. Can't wait to see how group comps in progression play out.