Tank nerf coming?

[MrsFluffyButt]

How is it not an exploiting? STR WARs in Frontline still have enough Vit/HP/Defense to survive and also have high STR to kill people. They are a tank and a killer at the same time.

Exploiting and then there's playing optimially. Please look forward to it.

[Ironos]

I can see how saying ill probably end up quiting war comes off as a threat. Even if it was a threat, no one cares. Was not my intention. I enjoyed war for its OT dps potential and that could be lost. Why would i keep playing it otherwise. Dont try to turn me into the bad guy here.

Wasn't making you the bad guy, but a lot of tanks have been saying that if the 3.2 changes nerf tank DPS that they will quit tanking. I find that absurd.
Also, nowhere did I say you were threatening to quit, I said tanks, as in tanks in general, threatening to quit. Before accusing me of vilifying you, please read what I said.

[FallenWings]

It's quite disgusting to see how people quickly turn on eachother and segregate people into "STR Tanks." Going as far as calling said people who choose to optimize their play as "not real tanks."

I absolutely find it insulting that people dare demonize us in such a way when all we tried to do was help complete a fight using our understanding of our class to reach maximum efficiency. I don't even understand why we have to get so butt-hurt over the idea that someone is contributing close to us. As if someone else contributing to a respectable level to us is a bad thing. This is truly a selfish mindset.

At the end of the day it won't change how a tank plays their class (Maximum potential: Hold Aggro, Reduce Damage, Deal Damage) as opposed to the absolute bare minimum (Hold Aggro) that the community perceives as the appropriate or 'normal' way to play and should be the standard.

"Hey someone is doing better than me! It's much easier if they got nerfed rather than me having to go out of my way to improve!"

Being nerfed in any shape or form will make you feel bad no matter how you look at it. Regardless, I'll still be playing WARRIOR. Not some sub-standard meat bag that people like to lump the Tank Role as.

On a more optimistic note: The change has more pros than cons and should be welcomed as such. People will stop letting fending accessories drop(for some god-forsaken reason) and the quality of a player will mostly be returned to his skill rather than the choice of his gear. A more than worthy trade-off if it helps stave off this delusional mindset.

[Arrius]

I really don't get this "tank should not DPS" mentality. "Holding hate" is not a thing in FFXIV. You get it, it's yours. What makes every job interesting is how to max DPS while doing your job. What else is there, popping CDs on scripted busters...?

Dishing out DPS with your damage rotation on the tank is, at best, third place on its priority when being the main tank : Emnity > Survival > DPS

Also, Paladins can't dish out that expected DPS on multi-enemy encounters anyway - What s/he's gonna do, Flash them to death?

[FoxyAreku]

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My apologies then, but your original statement was very unclear if that's what you meant, and made it sound like people had both healers healing all the time in coil, which wasn't true at all for any fight short of that terrible enrage method in turn 2.

And I've not cleared A4S, still on A3 due to static issues (good old static killer A3, on my 3rd static now), but that's not exactly relevant since we were talking about coil. :P

Another thing though, speaking of Alex, you say savage is easier and damage was low...I wonder if we're playing the same game? Sure it seems low now that everyone is geared, but on the weeks after release tanks barely survived the tank busters, and there were quite a few points I had to heal, compared to coil where I basically always DPS'd unless I had to mitigate something. Double preys and plasma on tanks was nothing to scoff at at 180 item level.

[Darkside302]

Argh once again another thread using "tanks" and lumping all 3 of them together. Only WAR does too much damage and needs nerfing. PLD are the weakest thing in the game which is fine...working as intended (you're a tank after all not a dps). Can we change the word "tank" to "WAR" in this thread and you'll be fine.

[SpookyGhost]

Argh once again another thread using "tanks" and lumping all 3 of them together. Only WAR does too much damage and needs nerfing. PLD are the weakest thing in the game which is fine...working as intended (you're a tank after all not a dps). Can we change the word "tank" to "WAR" in this thread and you'll be fine.

*DRK hides in dark, secluded corner of the room so people don't notice it's equal damage to WAR*

[Ciri_Wolf]

Never understood the point with people who only tank for numbers. I tank because I like pulling enemies and being the focus. And because war and drk look awesome swinging weapons.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

fending tanks atm can not hold agro and str can mostly but suddenly if the new fending = dps dishes out lower dps and emity modifier isent incresed alot we will have many dps haveing to tank for the tanks.

tanks will be like throttle your damage to good dps then suddenly wipe dps is not dpsing enougth please look foward to it.

[Hakuohsama]

in general on a training dummy, warrior can do 1,500 dps?
Bard is around 1,900 dps?

I don't use a parser I'm just trying to search around the web for numbers instead of assuming tanks do as much damage as bards and machinists.

Cause trainings Dummy is totally compareable to raid.
Btw over 3 min BRDs can pull of 1200-1300 dps.
And in A4 savage iam just a few dps before our Tanks as a BRD.
Warri dps is so ridic high...