Tank nerf coming?

[ChocoFeru]

Tanks had it too easy on this patch. All they had to do is switch everything into STR, giving all the weight to the healers.

[SpookyGhost]

Tanks had it too easy on this patch. All they had to do is switch everything into STR, giving all the weight to the healers.

Healers had it easy as well, it was largely the damage intake being incredibly low (around FCoB levels) that made everyone able to focus so highly on DPS. A4S w/ Nisi is the only real stopping gate for that.

[Galgarion]

Tanks had it too easy on this patch. All they had to do is switch everything into STR, giving all the weight to the healers.

That's not fair. There is a world of difference between a strength tank who knew what he was doing, and a copy and paster who assumed he was good just because he wore strength gear. As a healer, you probably know the difference between the two waaaaaay better than myself since you're the one who has to cast raise when it all goes horribly wrong.

[Kabzy]

That's not fair. There is a world of difference between a strength tank who knew what he was doing, and a copy and paster who assumed he was good just because he wore strength gear. As a healer, you probably know the difference between the two waaaaaay better than myself since you're the one who has to cast raise when it all goes horribly wrong.

I sort of disagree with this. No matter how good the tank may be, they're still going to be 'squishier' than a tank staying in their tank stance. I don't completely agree with Choco either but in certain situations it's a flat out hinderance having your tanks taking more damage.

A2S being a great example; when you're making your Scholar have to heal you because you decided to go DPS stance, you're bringing this false sense of justification on adding DPS. In reality all you did was add a bit of DPS for yourself while rendering the Scholar unable to apply DoTs and contribute 1000+ DPS.

I acknowledge that it was necessary for tanks to go full STR accs and play around with DPS stances to make DPS checks, but they did it to the extent that it became the healer's responsibility to cover for their mistakes. Along with holding aggro, people often forget damage mitigation should be a priority before DPS for tanks too. I can't count the amount of times I've had to turn off cleric because a tank wants to add to their numbers in a more selfish manner than actually wanting the most DPS output for the group.

[PArcher]

but they did it to the extent that it became the healer's responsibility to cover for their mistakes.

And that's the mark of a bad tank.

There are great STR tanks currently who don't make extra work for their healers being in DPS stance. Yes, we are far out-numbered by the bads who do, that is sadly true.

Case of people thinking they're amazing for copying what those who are can do, but fail doing it themselves.

[Kaiser-Ace]

And that's the mark of a bad tank.

There are great STR tanks currently who don't make extra work for their healers being in DPS stance. Yes, we are far out-numbered by the bads who do, that is sadly true.

Case of people thinking they're amazing for copying what those who are can do, but fail doing it themselves.

Never in my time as a Paladin have or would I consider Main Tanking without Shield Oath on. But I give any who can succesfully the credit they deserve,.

[Tanathya]

I sort of disagree with this. No matter how good the tank may be, they're still going to be 'squishier' than a tank staying in their tank stance. I don't completely agree with Choco either but in certain situations it's a flat out hinderance having your tanks taking more damage.

A2S being a great example; when you're making your Scholar have to heal you because you decided to go DPS stance, you're bringing this false sense of justification on adding DPS. In reality all you did was add a bit of DPS for yourself while rendering the Scholar unable to apply DoTs and contribute 1000+ DPS.

I acknowledge that it was necessary for tanks to go full STR accs and play around with DPS stances to make DPS checks, but they did it to the extent that it became the healer's responsibility to cover for their mistakes. Along with holding aggro, people often forget damage mitigation should be a priority before DPS for tanks too. I can't count the amount of times I've had to turn off cleric because a tank wants to add to their numbers in a more selfish manner than actually wanting the most DPS output for the group.

Speak for yourself. I can heal myself for much more in a large pull via Abyssal Drain with full STR and proper use of CD's. I'm not gonna get hit for less by wearing more VIT, and that's beating a dead horse. A bad tank is a bad tank, no matter the gear, but currently, a good tank is better off wearing STR than VIT.

[Arrius]

Speak for yourself. I can heal myself for much more in a large pull via Abyssal Drain with full STR and proper use of CD's. I'm not gonna get hit for less by wearing more VIT, and that's beating a dead horse. A bad tank is a bad tank, no matter the gear, but currently, a good tank is better off wearing STR than VIT.

Debatable. WAR and DRK's only picked up on STR because the enemies start to get too easy to deal with and WAR's stance dancing provide a lot of power, disregarding to stay in Defiance and have Fell Cleave be the solution for nearly every problem.

Hence I am glad they did shove the stat weights back to VIT here and put the tanks back where they belong. Personally, though, SE should've added a item level sync on the new dungeons so they don't get the faceroll treatement after a month has passed and DPS can slack off again by overgearing the current content.

[Tanathya]

Debatable. WAR and DRK's only picked up on STR because the enemies start to get too easy to deal with and WAR's stance dancing provide a lot of power, disregarding to stay in Defiance and have Fell Cleave be the solution for nearly every problem.

Hence I am glad they did shove the stat weights back to VIT here and put the tanks back where they belong. Personally, though, SE should've added a item level sync on the new dungeons so they don't get the faceroll treatement after a month has passed and DPS can slack off again by overgearing the current content.

No, it's not debatable, those are easily provable facts. How one might play falls into the "bad tank/good tank" conundrum. I've always had a STR gearset, which was my main, back in 2.0, nothing changed for me in 3.0 except that I also made a pentameld set when Alexander Savage came out.

I say at every 3.X5 patch they should ad an ilvl synch. If the min is 200 it should synch at like 215-220.

I personally think they should be done with item levels, and center new content around our character level. This pure vertical progression is the bane of the old, and not-so-old content. I know for a fact that I can already faceroll the new dungeons. Dungeons I've never been in, nor seen.

[Arrius]

No, it's not debatable, those are easily provable facts. How one might play falls into the "bad tank/good tank" conundrum.

Just because a person is going the VIT path with the stats allocation and accessories, doesn't mean that person is 'bad'.

Equipping strength was mostly a optional feat with the exception of cutting edge content at 2.x, and right now because of HW and the tank meta starting to shift to favor STR gear only, SE decided to cut in and get you down the path what was meant for you.