Tank nerf coming?

[Kosmos992k]

I think its because they have to balance raid DPS with what the expected tank contributions would be and making it higher because tanks can do more damage would make it harder for groups with non optimal tank players in them.

This is the best point I think I have seen in all the discussions of the incoming changes to tanks. If SE had not balanced Alex Savage around the current optimal tank and DD DPS things might have been different. Assuming so much tank damage was a big mistake. If you stop and think about it for a moment, it's pretty obvous that balancing for a STR based WAR's tank DPS creates a big problem for any group with any other kind of tank. Leading to the need for healer DPS to assist.

Along with fixing the balance so that support/DPS is better than tank DPS by a decent margin will reinforce roles, strengthen teamwork, and should simplify balancing content since it may be harder to circumvent the class/job balance now.

[RiceisNice]

I love how a bunch of folks keep mentioning how close dmg between Bards and Tanks was getting... -__- maybe SE should finally give bard/mch some careful consideration to make them actually stand out as a DPS.

Even if you don't account for MCH/BRD, the numbers that a warrior can pull off as an off tank is still pretty damn ridiculous; it ends up devaluing the dps from the DD jobs.

[DGladius]

No good DPS with comparable gear would lose to tank's dps only bad DPS do. In raids, when you have a tank that is off-tanking they are generally acting as a DPS until they need to tank something, which is where they won't be in tank stance to dish out close to dps numbers as OT.

It also did say that: Although it won’t be much lower and it will be compensated with the new gear. So, it doesn't seem like it will be a big drop. It's likely not gonna change how really good tanks will still out dps the average dps you see in duty finder or the general NA DPS.

[Vespar]

Even if you don't account for MCH/BRD, the numbers that a warrior can pull off as an off tank is still pretty damn ridiculous; it ends up devaluing the dps from the DD jobs.

I quite agree. Ive seen some Warriors do some crazy numbers with Fell Cleave. Makes my PLD jealous -__-;

No good DPS with comparable gear would lose to tank's dps only bad DPS do. In raids, when you have a tank that is off-tanking they are generally acting as a DPS until they need to tank something, which is where they won't be in tank stance to dish out close to dps numbers as OT.

It also did say that: Although it won’t be much lower and it will be compensated with the new gear. So, it doesn't seem like it will be a big drop. It's likely not gonna change how really good tanks will still out dps the average dps you see in duty finder or the general NA DPS.

Bad/severely undergeared players aside, a CLEAR distinction should still be made between DPS and tanks. Regardless of the stance they are in, a tank should NOT be able to pull comparable numbers to a DPS. (that should include a BRD or MCH).

[Cherie]

In the recent dengeki interview I think it was (and there was a famitsu one too so I don't remember, yoshi's been busy), it was seemed to say that overall, vitality isnt going to give as large dps performance as strength does now.

So yes nerf it is...yup

Not a big one though, if the translations are correct.

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201602/15099357.html (https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...u-Translation?)
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/221/1221731/ (um...google translate I guess....)

I'm not really sure where the feeling is coming from that I see: "Tanks need to carry all the bad players!" Aren't "bad players" equally divided out to all of the various roles? I'm not aware of tanks being made of magic in such that they just in general play better than the rest or something. Maybe tanks are just somewhat above suspicion? I know in the past, not many wanted to play tank, so the party didn't dare talk back to them or criticize them. Is that really still the case? I know people sometimes still decide to play tank because they still think that is the case though.... "Oh, I got in trouble a lot when i dpsed.... I know! I'll be a tank, they will have to worship me!" :/

[Zeonx]

I am glad the switch is coming although I often think how this will turn out for the people who don't like this.

Then they decide to stop tanking which will hinder duty finder.

I know some will decide to just go DPS after this maybe who knows maybe they won't.

[MiniPrinny]

in general on a training dummy, warrior can do 1,500 dps?
Bard is around 1,900 dps?

I don't use a parser I'm just trying to search around the web for numbers instead of assuming tanks do as much damage as bards and machinists.

We really shouldn't use edge cases of people with absolute mastery of their Job. Rather, we should use the average, in which case, right now, as an above average player, I regularly find myself edging out random allies with just a couple of STR accessories. If I'm at full power, I'm just about as destructive as the average damage dealer.

[PArcher]

We really shouldn't use edge cases of people with absolute mastery of their Job. Rather, we should use the average, in which case, right now, as an above average player, I regularly find myself edging out random allies with just a couple of STR accessories. If I'm at full power, I'm just about as destructive as the average damage dealer.

Compare yourself to people at your skill level, not below.

I mean, I can go into Ark and be top 3 DPS (or, worse, #1...its happened, and I was main tank too...) as WAR. Compared to DPS at my level, I'm at the bottom.

Heck, my AST and SCH are rubbish geared, and I can out-dps the average DPS on them.


EDIT: Also, BRD at 1900 DPS. lol

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'm glad people mentioned that it was noted that there might be a slight decrease in overall tank damage with the VIT over STR focus now, however with increases in gear and item levels it'll truly be minor.

I'm not expecting perfection, nor hybrid Tank-DDs, but I am expecting tanky tanks who can hold enmity in defensive stances and still effectively contribute (not outshine) to group DPS in offensive stances. Nothing more, nothing less.

[papichulo123]

With tanks having more health I guess healers can dps more so it evens out with raid damage