Tank nerf coming?

[PArcher]

I also must say that I scholar'd my way through all of coil while it was current, and there wasn't a single fight I couldn't DPS in. I wonder if you know what you are talking about.

There's a big difference between progression healing in Coil vs progression healing in Alex (except A4S). Remember T5, where you had to get those Adlos and Stoneskins on your CD-popping PLD or he'd die to the auto attack after Death Sentence?

And a difference between being able to DPS at points (Coil), and DPSing most of the time (A1S-A3S) as SCH. Really, the only fight we have right now that really pts pressure on healers is A4S, and there's still times when healers can go full-DPS mode.

I'd also like to check when you cleared A4S, but sadly I cannot. Why achievements are hidden by default is beyond me.


I also get the feeling everyone thinks that enemy damage is going to stay as it is now. If it is...I fully except even casual raiders to have A8S down within a month, since the DPS checks are going to be lighter and tanks and healers will be almost full-time DPSing.

[Galgarion]

I also get the feeling everyone thinks that enemy damage is going to stay as it is now. If it is...I fully except even casual raiders to have A8S down within a month, since the DPS checks are going to be lighter and tanks and healers will be almost full-time DPSing.

It probably is. The Devs already said Alex Savage was a bit more, well, savage than intended. I don't imagine the upcoming crop is going to be nearly as initially difficult as what came before.

[PArcher]

It probably is. The Devs already said Alex Savage was a bit more, well, savage than intended. I don't imagine the upcoming crop is going to be nearly as initially difficult as what came before.

The DPS checks were. Damage on the tanks...was so weak.

[FoxyAreku]

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My apologies then, but your original statement was very unclear if that's what you meant, and made it sound like people had both healers healing all the time in coil, which wasn't true at all for any fight short of that terrible enrage method in turn 2.

And I've not cleared A4S, still on A3 due to static issues (good old static killer A3, on my 3rd static now), but that's not exactly relevant since we were talking about coil. :P

Another thing though, speaking of Alex, you say savage is easier and damage was low...I wonder if we're playing the same game? Sure it seems low now that everyone is geared, but on the weeks after release tanks barely survived the tank busters, and there were quite a few points I had to heal, compared to coil where I basically always DPS'd unless I had to mitigate something. Double preys and plasma on tanks was nothing to scoff at at 180 item level.

[PArcher]

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I cleared A1S week 2 due to lack of a dps week 1. A2S the next week. While the initial clear was done in tank stance, it wasn't long before I was in dps stance the majority of the time, and then full time. A2S I learned almost fully in dps stance. A3s and a4s didn't take long for mostly dps stance either

Compared with coil, damage on the tanks is low. Theres only really two tank busters, one in A1S and one in a4s.

[ChocoFeru]

Tanks had it too easy on this patch. All they had to do is switch everything into STR, giving all the weight to the healers.

[SpookyGhost]

Tanks had it too easy on this patch. All they had to do is switch everything into STR, giving all the weight to the healers.

Healers had it easy as well, it was largely the damage intake being incredibly low (around FCoB levels) that made everyone able to focus so highly on DPS. A4S w/ Nisi is the only real stopping gate for that.

[Galgarion]

Tanks had it too easy on this patch. All they had to do is switch everything into STR, giving all the weight to the healers.

That's not fair. There is a world of difference between a strength tank who knew what he was doing, and a copy and paster who assumed he was good just because he wore strength gear. As a healer, you probably know the difference between the two waaaaaay better than myself since you're the one who has to cast raise when it all goes horribly wrong.

[Kabzy]

That's not fair. There is a world of difference between a strength tank who knew what he was doing, and a copy and paster who assumed he was good just because he wore strength gear. As a healer, you probably know the difference between the two waaaaaay better than myself since you're the one who has to cast raise when it all goes horribly wrong.

I sort of disagree with this. No matter how good the tank may be, they're still going to be 'squishier' than a tank staying in their tank stance. I don't completely agree with Choco either but in certain situations it's a flat out hinderance having your tanks taking more damage.

A2S being a great example; when you're making your Scholar have to heal you because you decided to go DPS stance, you're bringing this false sense of justification on adding DPS. In reality all you did was add a bit of DPS for yourself while rendering the Scholar unable to apply DoTs and contribute 1000+ DPS.

I acknowledge that it was necessary for tanks to go full STR accs and play around with DPS stances to make DPS checks, but they did it to the extent that it became the healer's responsibility to cover for their mistakes. Along with holding aggro, people often forget damage mitigation should be a priority before DPS for tanks too. I can't count the amount of times I've had to turn off cleric because a tank wants to add to their numbers in a more selfish manner than actually wanting the most DPS output for the group.

[PArcher]

but they did it to the extent that it became the healer's responsibility to cover for their mistakes.

And that's the mark of a bad tank.

There are great STR tanks currently who don't make extra work for their healers being in DPS stance. Yes, we are far out-numbered by the bads who do, that is sadly true.

Case of people thinking they're amazing for copying what those who are can do, but fail doing it themselves.