Thread: Translation of 3.2 Notes by BG

Grit/oaths moving off the GCD by itself does not imbalance the stances. They still cost considerable MP and whatever healing WAR misses out on is more than made up for and then some by their very powerful self heals. This design is what lets WAR solo old content in the absense of a healer. They survive longer without healing. That buff to defiance is not necessary.

People have been saying bring DRK and PLD up to WAR's level for ages now, and now that they are getting buffed, (but by most people's assumptions, not enough to threaten WAR in any fashion), people are worried? O.o

Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

I don't really have the energy to go through this so I'll just personally concede.

However, I'd like to note that there's nothing wrong with having a worry - do you want balance? Because it seems like you do. So naturally, you want them to neither over-buff PLD/DRK nor under-buff them. You want everyone to be on a nice even playing field and allow for all tanks to be able to work together. So if something seems like it may affect the balance or create a disparity between any of the 3, you naturally worry, as that would cause imbalance.

Here's the thing... and I'm gonna be brutally honest with my outlook here while trying to step on as few toes as possible...

WAR has been nearly guaranteed a raid slot for the past 2 patches (not counting pre-3.0 since there were only 2 tanks). DRK/PLD comps that do well enough to be notable are nearly unheard of.

Given that fact alone, I don't think WAR needs buffs. At all. Look at some of the things WAR has been able to pull off- does anyone really think that they'll be dethroned by a kink in Defiance (which so many WARs infrequently use anyway)?

If DRK and PLD are buffed to the point where someone has to think longer than a few seconds about whether or not to bring one of them over a WAR, I think that's good. I can't help it, I don't like the smugness that (some) WARs have about their guaranteed spot in raids and fancying themselves as the glue around which a group is built and the unequivocal best job in the game, and the other tanks being 2nd- and/or 3rd-class citizens. It feels toxic to me. As long as WAR is still in 2 out of 3 raid compositions nothing of value was lost, but in that remaining 1 out of the 3 we'll be able to see what the new DRK and new PLD can do in a group together.

This is what people wanted - don't nerf WAR, buff DRK/PLD. If they buff them to the point where WAR is not a fixture in every raid group, so long as WAR is not UNDERpowered (and lol @ the minor Defiance discrepancy making/breaking that distinction) I don't see the problem. Every tank will have to try out and earn their raid slot equally. If some WARs are bitter about that I honestly cannot relate.

WAR is so far ahead of DRK in OT design, and ahead of PLD in MT/OT design and DPS, that both jobs have a *considerable* gap to close before a WAR main would need to worry, and I don't think anyone could be justifiably convinced at the present moment that the incoming buffs are going to fully close that gap, let alone overshoot it.

Originally Posted by Syzygian

Given that fact alone, I don't think WAR needs buffs.

I think you might be misunderstanding something here, I'm not 100% sure based on this post. PLD isn't just getting one buff, they're getting several. DRK, already, is very very close to WAR on top of having it's own niche in magic damage reduction, and is apparently seeing upward adjustments as well. They could easily go too far - and that would be fine, if WAR is also adjusted to compensate. They could definitely reach a balance without any overshooting from where WAR currently stands, and from the sounds of it (with them saying that only PLD and DRK are getting adjustments) they have. But, basically, they could easily overbuff PLD/DRK and, if that were to happen, we'd need to bring WAR up. We want an even playing field. Hopefully that means no WAR buffs as I think WAR is fine as it is and that the other 2 should be exactly where WAR is now, but if they do go over then it's fine - as long as we end up leveled by the end. Yeah? Yeah.

e: I think you think there's a bigger disparity between WAR and PLD, and WAR and DRK especially, than there actually is. They could give PLD/DRK Eye and that would immediately solve a lot of issues and allow them to work together. It's not as complicated as it seems and they could super duper easily overshoot it. I hope they don't, but y'know, could happen. Regardless, though, they'll do what they do and there's nothing we can change about that until after the patch comes out and we're free to complain to our hearts content. Or praise. Hopefully praise.