Thread: Suggestion: Living Dead in 3.2

Something I thought about the LD in its current state, in regards to healers canceling it before the benefit. Since Holmgang and hallowed ground both stay in effect a set time, regardless of incoming heals or not, a suggestion to LD: instead of canceling it, healing the DRK for their full health gives them a buff instead. If that buff is not present when the LD runs out, they die. This would, admittedly, keep it mostly like it is now and still highly healer debendant. However it would remove threat of getting it removed prematurely which would also ease the healing time as healer could just pump out what they have to without carefull timing concerns. In this way they could already start during the first phase of the LD as the buff would only be processed after the walking deat state, if the DRK succumbed to it during the LD. Otherwise it would be checked in the end of LD timer.

Originally Posted by Violette

Pretty sure that Holmgang has an explicit "HEAL ME OR I'M DEAD" tag attached to it. And none of the problems of WD debuff.

Not quite. Holmgang has a "Heal me or I might (probably will) be dead" tag.

Nothing about Holmgang guarantees a War's death without healer input. IF their Hp is reduced to 1, then it is HIGHLY likely that they will die without a healer, however the status itself will not kill them. Something needs to hit them for that last 1 Hp. Further, if the dmg lightens up after the big hit the War has the tools to self heal enough to stay alive until a healer can get to them (equilibrium, Bloodshower, etc). If the Dmg completely stops after the hit (say, the boss leaves the arena for example) a War requires no immediate healing at all. I've seen plenty of War's get through their Holmgang without requiring 100% of the healer's attention. It's not recommended, obviously, but it's definitely doable. Drk's, on the other hand, do not have that advantage. If WD is activated, they will die if the healer does not reach threshold. Nothing will stop it, and Drks cannot self-heal enough to bypass the status effect (unless there happens to be a large sum of enemies nearby whom they can somehow sea urchin without getting aggro ... which is highly unlikely).

Further, Holmgang cannot be canceled early by a healer. The status effect is in effect regardless of anyone's intervention for it's full duration. WD can be canceled before the Drk even gets into it. If a healer reaches threshold on a Drk while they're only at living dead, then they will not get the full benefit of Walking Dead. War's and Pld's do not have this deficiency. They get their ultimate CD regardless of what the rest of the party does. When and how they use HG or Holmgang is purely up to them.

Originally Posted by Syzygian

IF... they change LD, I'd rather see it do something totally different.

When 3.0 first dropped I wondered why it didn't grant something similar to the Reverse status from FFXII. Damage heals you, heals damage you.

Please yes. I might want to play DRK at all if it was like that (I already have a holmgang ability, no interest for a second one)

Originally Posted by Syzygian

.. Reverse status from FFXII. Damage heals you, heals damage you.

Wouldn't that make it even more broken than HG is?

You tell your healer you're gonna pop it soon
-> healer dps for 3-5 seconds before you pop it. Once you pop it you should have been under 20% HP or so to get full benefit of the dmg healing
-> healer still dpsing for another 10 seconds (that's the duration of LD ? Correct if I'm wrong). After 10 seconds for you getting healed by the boss/mobs healer still has time to dps cause you won't need heals thrown your way when you're sitting at 100% hp. That's 15-20 seconds of healer dps.

With Holmgang you dont get much anything unless warrior manages to crit Seconditions Wind + Equilibrium and even then it's 6-12 seconds

And with HG if pld didn't use it at 100% hp you have to top hin off before dpsing so it can be from 4 to 15 seconds.


Also didn't they add text command to cancel buffs instead of clicking them? If you had to cancel HoTs for this status you could just make a macro to do it. (As someone was concerned about hots and how they'd work with this

Originally Posted by AniCelestine

Wouldn't that make it even more broken than HG is?

Depends on the adjustments

as an example, my last Faust fight had a 1900 dps done on the tank. That would mean 19k heals on the DRK, effectively topping him up. with RNG on crits, Kaltstrahls, number of adds at the time you pop it and such, give or take 16-22k heals

equilibrate it like "damage heal you for 50-60% of their value" (random % here, no math done) so that the DRK has his "nope I won't die" moment without allowing the healer to just ignore healing (though just like HG, holmgang or current living dead, lol-benediction)