Why can't you see your stats when you finish dung/raids and trials?

[Whiteroom]

See, Im the opposite of this. I welcome some way of showing who isn't pulling their weight.

If when the results pop up in the players example and you see clearly that your dps is way behind others, shouldn't you use that as motivation to improve?

I get that a very small population will most likely abuse it. But the majority of people that would abuse it are already doing this with parsers anyway.

I don't understand why we wouldn't add something that may most likely help some people get the motivation to improve just because of a few toxic idiots

I guess some people perfer "ignorance is bliss" and wiping, over improvement and clearing.

[Torunya]

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If I was playing a MOBA, I would expect nothing less than a status rundown of everyone's contribution at the end. As is expected in almost any form of PvP. I frankly don't see how adding this feature to an MMORPG in PvE can do anything other than harm. In doing so, anyone not performing to certain standards will be excluded and unwanted by the community. It borders on the very often-mentioned elitism topic, in which that introducing such a system in PvE will allow the few "toxic idiots" free reign to call out anyone's dps. Now if we're going to talk about self-improvement, that's another thing. If you read my initial post you'll see that I mentioned both SSS and parsing as a valid means of measurement to anyone who wants to better their own skills. The tools are there to any player who is genuinely interested in becoming better, and SSS will only make that even easier.

But I feel this involves a certain level of privacy issues, as I would imagine many players are quite defensive about their performance. Especially if it ends up being wanting. Try comparing this scenario to a test in school: Would you rather everyone's grades were put up on a bulletin board for all to see, or would you want to recieve the test back individually and only share your grade with others if you so desired? The school system where I'm from advocates the latter, and I think it grants the people who don't perform as well a chance to improve on their own accord without the added unnecessary audience.

In the end you'll always have people who honestly couldn't care less about their performance, that's reality. But I think that pulling everyone into the limelight of the stage is not the answer, and will in fact end up being more destructive than constructive.

[Andrea]

In the end you'll always have people who honestly couldn't care less about their performance, that's reality. But I think that pulling everyone into the limelight of the stage is not the answer, and will in fact end up being more destructive than constructive.

Will you get some people that will exclude you from their stuff with this system? yes of course you will but as stated above the majority of them are already doing that with parsers anyway. And to be honest, If people are excluding you for average DPS numbers then those people are the type you don't want to be in a duty with anyway.

If people don't care how they perform to put it bluntly they shouldn't be in the queue to begin with.

Why should others have to perform even better to compensate for a player who in your own words " couldn't care less about their performance"?

Sure I could kick them but they don't improve or learn anything from that. Sure I could try to give them advice, to be yet again met with "I pay so i'll play how i want" or .." Worry about yourself instead of me"

I am willing to bet the majority of players will not even visit SSS even once. And even if they did and didn't pass most wouldn't even care to try to improve.

I personally would have more motivation to improve my DPS if i knew that come the end of the dungeon everyone could see it. Who knows I may be crazy and it may just be me.

So yh if a parser was in game there would be even more BLMs... I mean DPS just completely ignoring every mechanics just to "prove" their Epeen is longer.

Of course some would care for just their DPS numbers, as you said people already do. But to make a claim of "everyone who uses parsers just cares about DPS numbers" then that just makes you look stupid.

If you notice people are not doing mechanics simply say to them. Just because they have the highest numbers doesn't make them untouchable.

The point of a parser or a score is to help you improve. If you want to bluff yourself and ignore every mechanic to try and tell yourself you're improving so be it. You are just as bad as the player that does A real reborn DPS numbers at 60.

And I will state, I know of far more players myself that ignore mechanics and do not use parsers. Does that mean all non parsers are the same? of course not.

[Telsyr]

I would like to point out that I do not care either way if a stat/parser is added, it will not make or break my game. I'm just nosy.

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May I ask YOU a hypothetical question?

Let's say that instead of adding SSS they added detailed stats at the end at the end of the dungeon.. BUT anyone at anytime could get the choice to opt in and out of any part this said program, including options to both disable your own stats displayed to other people, other peoples stats displayed to you, and the popup that would show up at the end. These options also default to off. (I am also aware that most people will claim these options would also defeat the purpose of said program.)

How would you feel about it then?

[Pibz]

This is not a big ask. Every game has this feature (well not every game, you know what I mean)

A lot of people in this game are precious little wallflowers who can't be told they can/maybe should improve, so we can't have this kind of nice stuff.

[azlewood]

OMFG THIS GAME IS NOT ABOUT STATS, THEREFORE IF WE BRING DIS WE GET ELTISIT WHO CARE ABOUT NUMBERS

[MagiusNecros]

Why not just make it show a results screen just showing your contributions and no one else's on duty completion so you have something to look at while waiting for dweebs to roll on loot?

If you are worried about your image in whatever performance you make then that just shows you have low self esteem and no drive to do better.

Unless of course you play poorly on purpose. Or don't want to try.

Of course you could also have a toggle option whether you want to see that junk or not. With all the HP bloat I'd love to see how much damaged I've inflicted on the boss.

[mp-please]

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....this is getting repetitive

[MagiusNecros]

But I can see the number squares and where I placed my X's and O's in Tic Tac Toe. The stats are all provided for me in the game itself.

*snark snark*

[Kaurie]

If they had that opt in opt out thing, I'd prefer if you could make a PF that disallows opting out and/or opting in.