Results 1 to 10 of 100

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    tgoodner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Posts
    70
    Character
    Qata'a Akabilat
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 65
    Quote Originally Posted by Callback View Post

    I don't get why YoshiP is resistant to making S3 an actual requirement. There's no elitism in a simple binary between "can do the absolute minimum to carry their own weight" and "can't." If you try S3 and can't do it, you shouldn't be trying to join the duty yet, and lying in PF about it to bait a carry is a serious abuse of other people's time and should be bannable.
    Honestly, Stone, Sky and Sea does very little to alter the current state of the game, other than to give players who don't use 3rd party applications an abstract idea of their performance. As for myself, I'd rather just leave a PF group that's underperforming than try to ostracize a player that may be uninformed or ignorant about their theoretical potential. If a player wants to get better, they'll put the effort in to do so.
    (2)

  2. #2
    Player
    Callback's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    334
    Character
    Callback Spanner
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by tgoodner View Post
    Honestly, Stone, Sky and Sea does very little to alter the current state of the game, other than to give players who don't use 3rd party applications an abstract idea of their performance. As for myself, I'd rather just leave a PF group that's underperforming than try to ostracize a player that may be uninformed or ignorant about their theoretical potential. If a player wants to get better, they'll put the effort in to do so.
    There's no ostracizing involved. I'm suggesting that if they can't clear S3 they can't queue at all without a premade who agrees to take them.

    You'd rather continue having players lazy players effectively AFK and try to leech carries, forcing you to leave and re-queue wasting more of your time just for another group that's likely the same exact thing, than have a system that actually verifies that everybody you're potentially matched with is at least capable of being an active participant before throwing you into a duty together?

    Tell me, what's the difference between that and just removing minimum ilvl requirements as well? A leecher's a leecher whether i200 or i150. If you're so content to just let them invade random parties without contributing, why not let them invade ones above their level too?

    Using S3 as an unlock condition to join a duty in DF can only help the system. The "harassment" argument is ridiculous. You get a lot more harassment when someone joins a party while unable to contribute and wastes people's time than if the system itself informs them they are not ready yet and blocks them from joining in the first place.
    (5)
    Last edited by Callback; 02-19-2016 at 01:46 AM.

  3. #3
    Player
    Ryel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    610
    Character
    Ryel Altaria
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Callback View Post
    Using S3 as an unlock condition to join a duty in DF can only help the system. The "harassment" argument is ridiculous. You get a lot more harassment when someone joins a party while unable to contribute and wastes people's time than if the system itself informs them they are not ready yet and blocks them from joining in the first place.
    Wait was this confirmed that Stone, Sky, Sea were going to be required unlock conditions for duties? The latest interviews with Yoshida seemed to imply that this was NOT the case and that they were purely optional practice tools. In which case the person you are quoting is entirely correct in that they will do very little to alter the status quo of the game.

    It might help some players sure, but if they aren't an express requirement for entering a duty (which once again i don't believe that they are) it won't really do much of anything for the players that already think they're "good enough" and just skip it.

    From the translated interview:

    Challenging a striking dummy before going into battle in "Stone, Sky, Sea"

    What are the conditions to unlock "Stone, Sky, Sea"?

    Yoshida: Each item will be unlocked when the corresopnding battle content is opened. The procedure to begin Stone, Sky, Sea itself is very simple. When you talk to the warrior in Idyllshire, he'll inform you that given the difference in players' arms, he's come up with a way for warriors to test their skills against a formidable enemy. From there, you'll exit Idyllshire and follow the navigation tips to the area.

    Is the idea that you can use Stone, Sky, Sea as an objective measure for party recruitment?

    Yoshida: Since that could lead to selectivity, we won't include that. You could put something like DPS who can clear with more than a few seconds as a comment, but players who look at it would have to assess themselves.

    Of course, but they may have had no challenge based on their equipment.

    Yoshida: Since the purpose is to become confident with the equipment you have and your current action rotation, there is no item-level sync. For example, if you attempt the extreme Bismarck Stone, Sky, Sea challenge at an average item level of 210 it should be easy. On the other hand, if you try the Alexander Midas Savage challenge with gear from Gordias, most people will find that to be quite tough. Then as you strengthen your equipment, you can come back and try the challenge again to become more confident that you can clear... the content is meant to be used in that way. It's a way to check that your equipment and skill are developing in parallel.
    Original source: Bookwalker Famitsu Weekly item listing (3/3 issue)


    Translation source: Yoshida on Patch 3.2 Content - Famitsu Translation

    EDIT: Reread, I'm tired you're saying they SHOULD in which case i agree.
    (2)
    Last edited by Ryel; 02-19-2016 at 01:56 AM.

Tags for this Thread