DPS: Why is it so dang taboo?

[FoxyAreku]

Bluntly stated, if you're doing essentially nothing half the fight. I am under no obligation to heal you. I mean, why can't I be a subpar healer who lets someone die if you get to be a subpar DPS?

To be fair, most healers do nothing for half the fight anyway. We call these the 'anti-healer dps crowd'.

*puts up flame shield*

[tgoodner]

S3 will never become a PF requirement. Yoshida mentioned in his interview that it's meant for personal use. Although it is a great opportunity for a performance requirement, this unfortunately won't be the reality.

@Callback: It seems like you had a tough time on PF groups in attempt to clear content. I can only speak from personal experience, but if clearing Savage/Extreme primals is a player's goal, they should invest the time and energy in finding quality players that share the same goal. You technically can't invade a PF, as the premise of it is to extend an invitation to players server wide that want to complete content.

[Galgarion]

Way back when (Six moooooonths soooooo loooong agooooo) I couldn't clear a bismark hard in duty finder, because we couldn't meet the dps check. Flat out. He'd always wipe us out before we could start the second phase because we weren't downing both of the big snake guys in time. It was frustrating as hell.

This story doesn't end with the group mastering the mechanics before the timer ran out and getting a heartwarming win at the last second, thereby proving that perseverance and determination can overcome any obstacle. It ended with pure vitriol and hatred and a lot of finger pointing as each dpser fell on the other ones in a cannibal orgy of blame, each desperately trying to prove for the record that nay, nay, it wasn't they who were lackluster, it was ye. Finally it was a dragoon who got the finger as it were, an cries of booooooot him entered the party chat. And he blew up like Jules in Pulp fiction and basically let everyone know in no uncertain terms that if he were allowed to, he could prove for a fact that everyone else sucked but him. And he left that trial like an old testament prophet leaving Babylon to get mounted by Jackals covered in baby oil or something.

Anyway, he was right, once he took off and got replaced, the dps got even woooorse. It was a friggin horror show was what. I want to say that the other dps fell on their swords in shame, but mostly they just blamed the Astrologian healer.

What a mess.

[Taika]

Sad thing is, this isn't even a rare occurrence.

Way back when (Six moooooonths soooooo loooong agooooo) I couldn't clear a bismark hard in duty finder, because we couldn't meet the dps check. Flat out. He'd always wipe us out before we could start the second phase because we weren't downing both of the big snake guys in time. It was frustrating as hell.

This story doesn't end with the group mastering the mechanics before the timer ran out and getting a heartwarming win at the last second, thereby proving that perseverance and determination can overcome any obstacle. It ended with pure vitriol and hatred and a lot of finger pointing as each dpser fell on the other ones in a cannibal orgy of blame, each desperately trying to prove for the record that nay, nay, it wasn't they who were lackluster, it was ye. Finally it was a dragoon who got the finger as it were, an cries of booooooot him entered the party chat. And he blew up like Jules in Pulp fiction and basically let everyone know in no uncertain terms that if he were allowed to, he could prove for a fact that everyone else sucked but him. And he left that trial like an old testament prophet leaving Babylon to get mounted by Jackals covered in baby oil or something.

Anyway, he was right, once he took off and got replaced, the dps got even woooorse. It was a friggin horror show was what. I want to say that the other dps fell on their swords in shame, but mostly they just blamed the Astrologian healer.

What a mess.

[FallenWings]

Mess

SUCH IRREFUTABLE ATROCITIES SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY.

When someone gets wrongly accused because of lack of actual feedback, something needs to be done to remedy this horridly broken system. It's so much better to be hit with the truth and to experience humiliation to spark motivation for improvement than it is to sit in ignorance, stagnating almost indefinitely because our pride will not allow 'subjective' opinion to determine whether or not we need to improve.

[Fived]

Just reading through the thread, I think the OP does have a very valid point. It seems as though if someone tells a tank where to position or when to use a CD, no one bats an eye. Tell a healer to put out DoTs when everyone is healthy, everyone agrees. Tell a DPS to change the rotation... I mean, everyone has had "that tank" or "that healer" that they felt were doing a poor job and feel confident in voicing their concern. Why is it that when a DPS is questioned, it is seen as a personal attack? Very valid issue by OP.

I do not think inserting something along the lines of how the PvP system is now would be a bad idea. After the last boss of an instance is killed, have a scoreboard pop up showing how much damage each player did, how much taken and how much healed. It would allow people to see how the true DPS is, without having to worry about being harassed during the run. Also, I think it would help DPS get more comms as people would get an idea of who was really doing a good job.

[Artemiz]

Just reading through the thread, I think the OP does have a very valid point. It seems as though if someone tells a tank where to position or when to use a CD, no one bats an eye. Tell a healer to put out DoTs when everyone is healthy, everyone agrees.

You've got to be kidding with that statment, every time the healer DPS argument flares up the healer forum melts and everyone gets called an elitist Nazi or SJW. As for Tanks, if you've never met a salty one then good luck to ya, but if anyone is going to have a chip on his shoulder it will more often than not be the tank, safe in the knowledge that he's the least likely to get kicked.

[Galgarion]

You've got to be kidding with that statment, every time the healer DPS argument flares up the healer forum melts and everyone gets called an elitist Nazi or SJW. As for Tanks, if you've never met a salty one then good luck to ya, but if anyone is going to have a chip on his shoulder it will more often than not be the tank, safe in the knowledge that he's the least likely to get kicked.

Well, in defense of salty tanks, we only get that way because we hate being alive on days that end in Y. If we didn't take our warped frustrations out on fresh faced dps players brimming with optimistic Joie de vivre in order to make them feel spiritually dead like we do, then why are we even here?

"You know what I hate? People in their 20's. What does that have to do with anything? NOTHING! Now shut up and let me tank."

[Instrumentality]

Well, in defense of salty tanks, we only get that way because we hate being alive on days that end in Y. If we didn't take our warped frustrations out on fresh faced dps players brimming with optimistic Joie de vivre in order to make them feel spiritually dead like we do, then why are we even here?

"You know what I hate? People in their 20's. What does that have to do with anything? NOTHING! Now shut up and let me tank."

You could say that our wretchedness is our personal élan.

[StouterTaru]

It seems as though if someone tells a tank where to position or when to use a CD, no one bats an eye.

People clearly aren't telling paladins how to tank as they level up, based on my DF experiences with them. I got sick of explaining to paladins in EX roulette long ago about how having the mobs scattered around them:
1 - slowed AoE dps
2 - increased damage they took from lack of parry/block

I just go into 2.x ST rotation autopilot when I get one of those paladins, which at least once a week.