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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurogaea View Post
    I can't find the relation to my comment to your Keepers of the moon reference. I know who they are though they have moved around a lot in the past. I can't recall but I believe it had to do with harsh winters. Not that I'm certain or anything but aren't the origin of the allagans unknown atm dating back to times unknown? I assumed it was true since all we do is look at their stuff.
    It's a timeline relation - Mi'qote Keeper surnames existing before the Allagan Empire was even a thing, much less a technologically advanced empire than engaged in biological experiments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    It's a timeline relation - Mi'qote Keeper surnames existing before the Allagan Empire was even a thing, much less a technologically advanced empire than engaged in biological experiments.
    However, just because the surnames are older than the Allagans, doesn't mean that Mi'qote are.
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    Dalamud existed before the Third Astral Era, too, allegedly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    Now that Moose brought it back to my attention, Koji Fox DOES mention that worship of Dalamud would be the same as worship of Bahamut. Knowing about a certain doomsday cult, might we argue that things might get, excuse the pun, baaaaaaad
    I kind of hope they do because it will confirm a lot of things. If the LoD summon Dalamud/Bahamut and he looks exactly the same as Tiomat's summoned version of him, it would confirm that the first summoning of a primal is when it comes into existence and gains a form. If the summoned Dalamud/Bahamut looks more like the red moon itself, it would confirm that although a primal may be the same, its existence and appearance is solely in the eye of the summoners.
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    I never would have imagined the Azeyma Sun symbol plastered all over the Cathedral to represent Sephiroth. I thought the Cathedral was built by them, but the symbols were later added by either the Allagans or Seeker Miqo'tes.

    Interestingly, it seems as if the Allagans once worshipped Azeyma/ the Sun. I remember we had a discussion about this awhile back on who they once worshipped and many believed it was Azeyma (especially since Xande had a sun in his gear) and potentially even Menphina due to there being Allagan Sun/Moon highways. Worship of gods began to wane when resurrected Xande took control.

    Then there's also them harnessing the power of the Sun (CT) and then sending Dalamud to the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    However, just because the surnames are older than the Allagans, doesn't mean that Mi'qote are.
    This Allagan node confirms Miqo'te existed during the reign of the Allagan empire. On top of that, there was some loading screen trivia that was found, and one of them explicitly stated that scholars in modern day Eorzea almost unanimously agree that the Miqot'e originated from Meracydia. This is reinforced by the fact that the Sunseekers traveled across the "frozen seas" from a continent to the south. Given the empire's war with Meracydia, isn't surprising at all that they had some contact with the Miqo'te tribes living there.

    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    Interestingly, it seems as if the Allagans once worshipped Azeyma/ the Sun.
    Take a good look at some of their mechanical and biological creations, too. They definitely made sphinx-like machina (Such as the one found in The Aetherochemical Research Facility or on top of the flag ship), as well as anubis-esque biological entities. Seem like odd choices, don't they? Unless maybe, just maybe, they're a throw back to a day when they once worshiped the sun god, not unlike a certain ancient African culture. Funny that, Eorzea also sort of looks like Africa.

    Could it be that the Meracydian temples, the Allagans, and whatever civilization the Temple of Qarn was built by (which also has heavy egyptian-based themes and architecture) are somehow related? Oh, my. So much speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endemerrin View Post
    This Allagan node confirms Miqo'te existed during the reign of the Allagan empire. On top of that, there was some loading screen trivia that was found, and one of them explicitly stated that scholars in modern day Eorzea almost unanimously agree that the Miqot'e originated from Meracydia. This is reinforced by the fact that the Sunseekers traveled across the "frozen seas" from a continent to the south. Given the empire's war with Meracydia, isn't surprising at all that they had some contact with the Miqo'te tribes living there.

    Take a good look at some of their mechanical and biological creations, too. They definitely made sphinx-like machina (Such as the one found in The Aetherochemical Research Facility or on top of the flag ship), as well as anubis-esque biological entities. Seem like odd choices, don't they? Unless maybe, just maybe, they're a throw back to a day when they once worshiped the sun god, not unlike a certain ancient African culture. Funny that, Eorzea also sort of looks like Africa.

    Could it be that the Meracydian temples, the Allagans, and whatever civilization the Temple of Qarn was built by (which also has heavy egyptian-based themes and architecture) are somehow related? Oh, my. So much speculation.
    Lets also not forget the ancient allagan sun temples on Cartaneau ( unless they were not allagan ). The cristal tower was made to harvest? what? Sun energie. Also Xande have the picture of the sun on his belt. I have this small theorie too Endemerrin.
    Too many Sun traits for an advanced tecnological atheist civilisation. But the confirmation that says that once worshiped the twelve, pretty much says it all.

    Well based on the information that was given. That the allagans pretty much have means to copy the architecture of the temples on Meracydia, I think it says it all. Maybe Qarn was originaly built buy the allagans and somehoy by miracle it survived the the 4 th umbral calamity. The survivors thought it was a blessed place because it could survive the apocalipse earthquake and, to knowing what it was beacuse everything was lost ( back to stone age more or less ), they transformed into a temple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endemerrin View Post
    There can never be enough Allagan lore. I have so, so many unanswered questions. I think one of the bigger questions has been what the origins behind the coil equipment, is. First coil seems like a given. We know first coil took place in the ruins of the Ragnarok, which was a giant starship. Seems easy to infer that the equipment was worn by people stationed aboard said starship. The headpieces also have little Dalamud replicas hanging off them, which makes sense if those ships traveled to and from Dalamud.

    Which we know the Ragnarok was docked with Dalamud at the time of the calamity, so.

    Second coil armor seems a bit more lavish, and is obtained directly from a shard of Dalamud. Does that mean that was equipment worn by people stationed on board Dalamud itself? Maybe that explains the red motif?

    And lastly, Dreadwyrm. Seems really out of place to find in a shard of Dalamud, right? Unless, you know, being stationed on Dalamud and being so close to an elder primal rendered some weaker-minded Allagans open to influence. Is that gear possibly created by "tempered" allagans aboard Dalamud during the empire's final days?

    So many questions. So, so many questions.
    I've always believed that BCoB gear was worn by security personnel in the Allagan Empire and on the Ragnarok ships for all of the physical damage dealings sets, and then the caster and healer set was worn by science and medical personnel. These sets for the most part are what could be compared to the common soldier in the Garlean Empire, and the Centurion. On board the lowest tier of the IC-xx ships (more on that soon).

    Next, the HA sets are of course for those in a higher social status, station or position. Found in the Neurolink because of the nature of the contents on board, and found in the IC-xx beneath that had clearly more advanced things on board than the original one we was on.

    Lastly, Dreadwyrm as far as I'm concerned has nothing to do with Allagan stuff and was just there for kicks and so people can pretend to be Meracydian.

    I am also very curious if they were stationed during the Allagan era, with the structure design and everything, it seems that they might just have been. Could also just be that they weren't and the walkways, elevator stuff etc etc was for when they were grounded before heading to Dalamud.

    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    The gear placement doesn't really have to do with each turn specifically. The gear itself is simply representations. The gear from the 1st Coil is typical clothing worn by the general population. Gear from the 2nd Coil is clothing typically found worn by people with wealth or status in Allag society. Gear from the 3rd Coil is strictly for the players to enjoy something that's "Bahamut themed"

    From what I understand, the Ragnarok was part of Dalamud itself, not docked with it. The Ragnarok was one of the binding ships, the things you see sticking out of the red moon. They contained the aetheric controls that bound Bahamut and regenerated him. The types of ships that served as his "coils" (chains) were of the ragnarok class. Dalamud consisted of a holding cell (the giant sphere) and several ragnarok-class binding ships (the spikes sticking out).

    That's just my interpretation of the design based off ingame text.
    They were maybe created for Dalamud, but they never were a part of it (built in part I mean), and were in fact docked. Hinted at by the sightseeing log entry for Helix, now, whether it literally means the Ragnarok could dock at Helix or whether it was just a comparative size to say how big Helix is and how capable I don't know,either way it suggested that a Ragnarok can in fact be docked.

    As for what Dalamud consisted of, you forgot the Neurolink structure found in North Shroud, which if compared to similar designs found in the Fractal end area, were colossal rings that went around the entire inside of Dalamud. Most bizarre about these is that they housed actual bioweapons and weren't just a multi-part neurolink like those found on Twintania and other Meracydian slaves. They also had connected links and bulkheads connected to a Ragnarok.

    The Ragnarok ships each had a designation, IC-xx with the xx being the number for example IC-06, they also each seemingly had a purpose, function and design. The first we scale in T2 and then eventually enter and travel down in T3 and T4, and then walk across to the terminal teleporter after T5 (the thing jutting out of the hand) was one of the big sword-like ones. The one beneath or perhaps linked to the Neurolink isn't seen, nor is the FCoB ship (IC-06)... however, I believe the SCoB one beneath or linked to the Neurolink is one shaped like the walking stick, and the FCoB one is likely another of the straight design.

    The biggest mystery though is IC-06 (the FCoB one) has a regeneration grid that is a replica of Dalamud. This structure houses IC-xx control for each of what I suspect are the Ragnarok ships stationed on Dalamud, the entire structure itself shows us exactly how they were placed on Dalamud, how Dalamud is created block by block (just like the Fractal Continuum) and it also shows us many different types of Ragnarok. The mystery is, was this thing a part of Dalamud, or was it in fact a thing on the planet itself that had access to all of the IC-xx controls, as well as Core Override and Coil control.



    And one last mystery of the Ragnarok, Louisoix mentions they were digging and constantly searching, once we emerge in T5, we see that the bottom part of a Ragnarok has detached and gone across to the other side of that cavern, which is then after reaching the terminal revealed to be the main bridge. Does this mean any Ragnarok can detach the main bridge, or is this simply how it digs, by shedding parts of the structure and then they proceed to burrow through terrain...

    Sorry, I could go on for years about these damned ships, they fascinate me... as does all Allagan related things. I wish there was more info on this stuff, especially the Ragnarok ships.

    Oh, and there's still one in very weird to be ignored territory, the one at Boulder Downs... Ishgard were surely aware that Allag had dragon controlling devices... yet this one is unexplored, but then, perhaps they couldn't access it much like we couldn't some others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endemerrin View Post
    Could it be that the Meracydian temples, the Allagans, and whatever civilization the Temple of Qarn was built by (which also has heavy egyptian-based themes and architecture) are somehow related? Oh, my. So much speculation.
    Regarding the SToQ and the surrounding area.

    According to the Sons of Saint Coinach, the Sagolii Desert was once a verdant sea of lush plains capable of sustaining great civilizations, as is evidenced by the ruins recently discovered in the area. How such a place devolved into a lifeless desert remains a mystery, but recent disaster tells us an ancient Calamity is likely the culprit.
    Maybe... an earthquake was that Calamity (could entirely be the Great Flood, makes more sense?) what with the area having copious sunken structures and gaping tears through it, hinting that this might have once been an Allagan city as them ruins do have common architecture with those in Mor Dhona. Or a sea of lush plains could perhaps sustain a race of "tree-like beings" that could have built it before they got there?

    Please people, stop using this node as confirmation of anything, as it is entirely dependent on what race you are over what it says is next to be hunted.

    And if this is the case, we can also say Garlean's existed in the Allagan era, as another node has "detected Garlean forces" over in Gamma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AstralKaos View Post
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    There are some recent revelations about Qarn. Apperantly it could have being built original by the allagan just beacuse the wanted to copy the Meracydian ones. After the earthquake, everything about the building's origins was lost and the survivors thought it had a blessing beacuse it was still intact, not knowing was only luck. So they made that place a temple.

    The reason why the meracydian structures have the "azeyma" simbol is beacuse. For the allagans and the meracydian tribe represented the same thing. The Sun. Makes sence, what does plants need tu survive?

    This is just me filling up the missed holes, based on the recent info that they gave us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
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    Yes, the very same info in the OP :P

    I've always been curious about Qarn and a potential relation to Allag, ever since seing the Sagoli Ruins, the ruins outside Qarn itself and then those at Mor Dhona. Then the original sightseeing log furthered that suspicion. Needless to say the Azys Lla Cathedral only added to it, and once more with its very own sightseeing entry.

    So, seeing the interview info was very, very nice for me, as it answered (to a degree) a few of them suspicions.

    I still have questions regarding them and the ruins in the Sagoli that I put in the Q&A thread back then, so hopefully something sometime about that, too, namely -- Was it actually the Earthquake that ruined that area, or some other Calamity (smells really bad of earthquake, it seems likely it was).
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